How would define "bad music"?

[factory presets]

Wasn’t intending any negative towards RAP in particular. In fact, I see it as current age beatnik music. IMO, it would be far better played by humans rather than less expensive computers.

Suspect you might've not listened to a lot of hip hop. For a start, between the samples and the live bands, hard quantised CG beats have probably been in the minority for a while now. Also, beats made up from samples have superimposed pockets that even seasoned session musicians would struggle to maintain.

Thing is, if music doesn't reach out and grab you, you're probably not gonna listen to enough of it to hear what is good about it. Fair enough. Life's short, and there's a world of uninspired bandwagon jumpers competing for your attention in every new style that comes along. Still, a little effort can be rewarding if you make time for it.

 

[LiptonJigglers]

"Bad music"?
With every musical experience, there's always something positive one can find in it. Even if it's just the EXIT or On/Off switch or Volume dial or Fast Forward button.
Which reminds me of the time we were driving home from the beach and the Village People came on the radio, singing "You can't stop the music, nobody can stop the music....."
CLICK!!!! Dad turns off the radio... and says "Yes I can".

 

[factory presets]

There are artists who are skilled enough to accurately translate their desire and/or idea into their chosen medium.
There are artists who are not.
There are artists everywhere on that spectrum.

Anything past that is just enforcing rules on art.

You left out artists whose ideas transcend all considerations of technique.

Just saying.

 

[Hot Rats]

That TV commercial with the electrical outlet singing.... that's bad music.

 

[MuseChaser]

That TV commercial with the electrical outlet singing.... that's bad music.

I couldn't agree more. Between the whining wienie sentiment and the roboautotune, I have a hard time not damaging my environs when that abomination is aired.

 

[gln1955]

That TV commercial with the electrical outlet singing.... that's bad music.

Every artist deserves an outlet.

 

[MuseChaser]

Every artist deserves an outlet.

I disagree. That's the allegory to "all things have value," "everyone deserves respect," and the ever-present "it's all good." No. Just no.

 

[gln1955]

I disagree. That's the allegory to "all things have value," "everyone deserves respect," and the ever-present "it's all good." No. Just no.

It was a joke, but since you brought it up, I will strongly disagree. Everyone should be able to express themselves. It doesn't imply anyone else has to appreciate what they create. Shutting people down because YOU don't like it is pretty arrogant.

 

[FRoss6788]

It was a joke, but since you brought it up, I will strongly disagree. Everyone should be able to express themselves. It doesn't imply anyone else has to appreciate what they create. Shutting people down because YOU don't like it is pretty arrogant.

Agreed.

 

[MuseChaser]

It was a joke, but since you brought it up, I will strongly disagree. Everyone should be able to express themselves. It doesn't imply anyone else has to appreciate what they create. Shutting people down because YOU don't like it is pretty arrogant.

We may or may not be at odds. If we are, that's cool too. I was reacting to "every artist deserves an outlet," which, at least to me, differs GREATLY from "everyone should be able to express themselves." I would agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions and the right to express them. On the other hand, there is PLENTY of "art" that is absolutely unworthy of an outlet.

 

[jbhaugh]

Yes.

Computers do NOT groove, IMO.

Wasn’t intending any negative towards RAP in particular. In fact, I see it as current age beatnik music. IMO, it would be far better played by humans rather than less expensive computers.

A lot of what you probably consider to be “computer music” IS played by a real human, just not using equipment that you recognize as a musical instrument. Many hip hop and electronic compositions are performed live using gear like an MPC or other sample controller. Many electronic musicians and hip hop producers meticulously program sequencers to give organic feel and movement to what could otherwise be very boring and static compositions, or leave in performance imperfections or play live to introduce rhythmic variations not possible within older sequencers.

Tl:dr, there is a lot of really amazing “computer music” out there that you clearly haven’t heard, which is fine.

 

[Slevage]

James Brown is an example of bad music.

In fact, I’d call it super bad.

 

[factory presets]

I disagree. That's the allegory to "all things have value," "everyone deserves respect," and the ever-present "it's all good." No. Just no.

Well leaving aside the bit where he or she's making a joke...

There's a lot of value in a lot of surprising places if you're prepared to break poopie down. Many people think commercial pop music is a cesspool of vacuous sentiment and lowest common denominator musical techniques. I don't have to disagree with them to point out that it's also a master class in hooks that serious songwriters ignore to their detriment. Likewise electronic music can be cold and impersonal. Yet it is also home to most of the cutting edge of experiments in timbre.

 

[Gluvhand]

We may or may not be at odds. If we are, that's cool too. I was reacting to "every artist deserves an outlet," which, at least to me, differs GREATLY from "everyone should be able to express themselves." I would agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions and the right to express them. On the other hand, there is PLENTY of "art" that is absolutely unworthy of an outlet.

What an ugly way to see things. Predictable.

 

[MuseChaser]

. Many electronic musicians and hip hop producers meticulously program sequencers...

And therein lies my objection. I'm not saying it isn't a skill. I'm saying it isn't musicianship. Music to me is created in real time by human interaction with other similarly skilled and musically adept human beings.

 

[MuseChaser]

What an ugly way to see things. Predictable.

Sigh. The usual. You are entitled to your opinion and it's beautiful and just.... And mine is ugly. Got it.

 

[factory presets]

And therein lies my objection. I'm not saying it isn't a skill. I'm saying it isn't musicianship. Music to me is created in real time by human interaction with other similarly skilled and musically adept human beings.

Ha ha ha. You edited out the bit in the quote where the person was talking about electronic music that's played in real time.

And the realtime interaction between musicians debate was fought and lost when recorded music first became a thing. Long before multi-tracking added it's own poignancy.

 

[Gluvhand]

Sigh. The usual. You are entitled to your opinion and it's beautiful and just.... And mine is ugly. Got it.

Nah. Don’t play victim again. Clutch your pearls somewhere else. When you put obnoxious quotes around the word art and think you’re the judge of what is deserving or worthy of outlet, you’re the problem.

 

[5StringBlues]

Wait!


No, nevermind.

 

[FRoss6788]

I would wager MOST accepted proper techniques used by artists of all disciplines happened organically out of necessity by "uneducated" and "untrained" artists doing what they had to to achieve their vision.

Thinking out of the box regardless of what the "intelligentsia" thought about it.