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... I deserve it! ( Reverb Fraud)

Just out of curiosity, I put something in my cart on Reverb and clicked PayPal as the payment option, then did a screen grab.
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The note about Reverb Protection being included with all purchases didn't go away when PayPal was selected. The particular quote that differentiates between how they'll help when you pay with PayPal vs when you pay with Reverb Payments just says that Reverb can refund directly to your card. They obviously can't do that if the purchase was paid for with PayPal.

"If payment is made through Paypal, we will walk you through the Paypal dispute process and provide any materials needed to ensure the dispute reaches the correct end. If the sale is completed through the Reverb Payments system, Reverb may issue a refund directly to the buyer's credit card once it has been established that no other agreeable resolution has been reached with the seller."
He said he went straight through Paypal, though, which to me says he transacted outside of Reverb. Maybe he'll come back and clarify that.
 
Well that suxs..... But thinking it thru..... and we're all guilty of it to some extent. "Greed" did ya in. You can afford that bass, but ya wanted a deal. Now getting it for a couple hundred off the list price is a deal, but HALF off???? Thats a sign that something aint right. Even if the company and the bass is legit. HALF OFF???? Its either stolen, or has serious structural issues (needs a new neck).
 
Hi
To answer multiple versions of the same question;
I bought through Reverb. The only payment option offered was PayPal. But I bought through their site. I have an order # and everything
I didn't bypass Reverb to purchase the bass....
In that case, Reverb should be able to help you, even if it's only going to bat for you with PayPal.
 
I just wanted to share my story....
There was an American Pro 2 for sale half price.. in new condition
All the alarm bells went off but couldn't take my eyes off it.
I read on here that Reverb is receptive to buyers when there is trouble, and thought since I'm paying Paypal l could fight a fraudulent case..
I'm one of the lucky ones and financially comfortable enough to take small (stupid) risks..
I was the perfect victim as it was the bass in my top 3 .. Anyways I paid for the thing and contacted the seller about shopping, and was responded to right away.
Exchanged emails and was told it was shipping today...
I knew it was "too good to be true" and still never trusted it. I checked today and the sellers Reverb Shop no longer exists..boom I was right..
I contacted Reverb and was told because it was through PayPal they can't (won't) do anything about it but the shop - seller has been reported as a fraudulent and thanked me.
I'm waiting to see if PayPal will help..

Not writing this to be insulted, or "told you so" because I know i was taking a dumb risk
I am however sharing my story because I was unaware that if you buy straight through PayPal, Reverb will NOT help...
And wanted to share as a cautionary tale....

I'll update of there's anything news worthy to share..

ohoh. man..

i can relate! That is exactly the story of me truing to by Warwick Thumb for half a price.. except there was be no happy ending.. I've lost my money.
 
Oh man, that sucks :( , sorry to hear
Reason I am not freaking out is because I bought this with leftover bonus money and accumulated CC points, it still hurts a lot of course and will still fight it until the end...and try to never be greedy again ;)
 
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I bought a Squire P bass (Wentz signature) on Reverb for a few hundred dollars less than the one or two others that were on the market at the time. I actually got the bass, but it had a twisted neck that made it unusable.

Fortunately, I had a spare Squier neck, so I was able to use the rest of the bass, so I didn't get stung in that regard. But still. It pays to be wary of incredibly good deals.
 
I wrote them while in a meeting (i have 4hrs of meetings today), but here is the gist of the conversation.
So whether you buy off a seller on the side by PAYPAL, or you buy using Paypal through REVERB, no difference. Obviously I didn't know that, "Buyer beware" and good to know. So that's it. I will update once Paypal gets back to me, but if anyone reading this didn't know, now you do and wanted to share. Take care of each other out there!


Hi there, Jo from Reverb here.

How can I help you today?


Hi Jo, i need clarification form a conversation I had yesterday with your colleague

I bought a bass from an acct that is fraudulent, it was closed and they reopened one etc.

Anyways, I was told that Reverb couldn't do anything because I bought with Paypal, but i bought the bass through REVERB using PAYPAL


I will take a look at that for you, one moment, please.

THANK YOU


Eric, my colleague was correct. As this was a PayPal only payment, the only way to reclaim the payment, is to open a dispute via PayPal.

can you please clarify

I want to know how i was mislead into believing if bought through REVERB I was protected


We do not have access to PayPal's transactions, and they are processed by them solely, so in order to open a dispute on this transaction, you will need to open a claim with them.

Here is the link for PayPal dispute instructions: Solving problems with a PayPal purchase - PayPal


i have already started, but I need to know how i was made to believe this was done through REVERB, I even got a confirmation email from REVERB etc


Please keep us posted on the results of the claim. As the order was not fulfilled, however, PayPal will be able to assist in recouping the funds for this purchase. Please let us know if they indicate otherwise.

I wasn't aware of this practice and need to know how I was frauded through your site please

You are still protected by us, however as the payment has been processed and handled via PayPal they will need to be contacted to complete the claim and dispute.

I realise the process is frustrating, but they are the ones that processed and handled the funds for this purchase, and they will be able to assist with this claim.

PayPal has their own policies and are quite strict with handling their own claims, and indeed if payments are made via Reverb Payments (aka CC or purchasing from sellers that have Reverb Payments enabled) we 100% have more access to those transactions in those cases



Sorry if I sounded pushy, I do not want to come off as rude, but I just wanted to confirm that there is no real benefit to using REVERB if I have to pay through Paypal as REVERB can't do anything, right?

I am asking because if I decide to use REVERB again, I will ensure that I only pay by CC. No Paypal ever.


ok, thanks for the clarification


You're welcome

My apologies again.

If you have any other questions feel free to contact us here!

thanks and have a good day
 
Reverb has it's own payment service , had the seller been using that .. I think you would be protected.

As an occasional seller on reverb, I sold an item a customer was not happy with and they refunded the person and for some reason never billed me. I was banned from selling on Reverb until I contacted them and they explained the situation. I had to pay them for the refund and they reinstated me.
 
I just wanted to share my story....
There was an American Pro 2 for sale half price.. in new condition
All the alarm bells went off but couldn't take my eyes off it.
I read on here that Reverb is receptive to buyers when there is trouble, and thought since I'm paying Paypal l could fight a fraudulent case..
I'm one of the lucky ones and financially comfortable enough to take small (stupid) risks..
I was the perfect victim as it was the bass in my top 3 .. Anyways I paid for the thing and contacted the seller about shopping, and was responded to right away.
Exchanged emails and was told it was shipping today...
I knew it was "too good to be true" and still never trusted it. I checked today and the sellers Reverb Shop no longer exists..boom I was right..
I contacted Reverb and was told because it was through PayPal they can't (won't) do anything about it but the shop - seller has been reported as a fraudulent and thanked me.
I'm waiting to see if PayPal will help..

Not writing this to be insulted, or "told you so" because I know i was taking a dumb risk
I am however sharing my story because I was unaware that if you buy straight through PayPal, Reverb will NOT help...
And wanted to share as a cautionary tale....

I'll update of there's anything news worthy to share..
I too fell for this on Reverb last week. Also a new Fender (Jazz). After trying to contact the seller the next day, saw that his account was disabled and could not accepted messages, I contacted PayPal. Seller got back to them with tracking info so they wouldn't deny him payment.

I did not receive the shipment and called UPS about it. They said that a shipment was sent w a 1 lbs box to a different address than mine with no recipient name on the label.

I gave this information to PayPal and they refunded me.
 
Wow, I’ve bought at least 50 basses through Reverb and never had such an issue.

I once received a bass with a soft case rather than a hard case as advertised. I was refunded my purchase price, shipping and return shipping.

However, this was when Reverb was owned by CME. Looks like since ETSY bought it things have changed?
 
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After dwelling on this some more ETSY must have changed things because sellers wouldn’t get their money right away until Reverb got their percentage and the buyer clicked on ‘received’. The money delay was 10 to 14 days when Reverb was owned by CME.

That would have made it impossible for the fraudulent seller to get his cash and close out his account.
 
After dwelling on this some more ETSY must have changed things because sellers wouldn’t get their money right away until Reverb got their percentage and the buyer clicked on ‘received’. The money delay was 10 to 14 days when Reverb was owned by CME.

That would have made it impossible for the fraudulent seller to get his cash and close out his account.

Like Sidelineswap
You only get paid once the item is received.
 
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