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I don't mind Pete Wentz.

#45
If you think my opinion is less thought out and valid than your just because I'm 19, you're sorely mistaken. Maybe the general population was misinformed in "your day" but times have changed DRASTICALLY. I know for a fact that Kip Winger is a capable bass player. I know he played for Alice Cooper, as well as many other credible artists. However, he was part of the image driven hairband scene, his band (Winger) is absolutely horrible flavour of the week garbage, and he posed for Playgirl for Christ's sake. In my opinion, he could be the greatest bass player of all time (which he most certainly is not) but he's still a tool. Not to mention the fact that most people don't even remember him or who he was. So, old guys, I appreciate you not wanting to hurt my feelings, but I'm an adult, I can take it.
 
#46
Winger was part of the hairband scene, and Cobaine was part of the grunge scene. Matter of semantics. I think your opinion is "less thought out and valid" not due to your age, but due to the gaping flaws in your logic.

I could really give a rat's tail who you think is better or not, nor could I care less about "hurting your feelings". I, and others, merely pointed out that you compared Wentz to Winger, and you were called on it, based on their resume credentials and outright talent. Just admit you made a horrible comparison, instead of crying "hair band".

Oh yeah, and :rolleyes:
 
#47
First of all, I agree that there are people in the world who would better fit a comparison with Pete Wentz. However, I did not compare him to Kip Winger, someone else did. I merely stated that he was a tool, a fact which I find to be undeniable. While on topic, the comparison I make between the two is the low standard that they set for popular music. The band (Winger) is terrible, the band (Fall Out Boy) is terrible. Both of these individuals contribute to the product of these two bands, and in my opinion, severely underestimate the intelligence of their audience (a disapointment considering the high number of records they sell) All I'm saying is that for all we know, they could both play Classical Thump backwards note for note while doing their Nancy-boy spins blindfolded in a windstorm, none of us will ever know, but the fact remains that the trash that they feed the public is sub-par crap, and that's my complaint with the two of them.
 
#52
disco-al said:
i dont know..in my opinion i think poseur rock breeds poseur rock. part of it is because so many are directly influenced by mediocre players..another part of it is good looks, fame and fortune will always supercede over style and substance.. thats how it has always been in this country(usa)...so be not mad at Wentz, be mad at the american mindset that rock created...Wentz is just taking advantage of that mindset just like the long list of famous mediocre players that came years before him..
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pie_man_25 said:
I agree, I mean, sure he's inspiring people, but like any "pop" artist, they're showing that an instrument isn't really a form of art, ist just something to use to look good/backup vocals, he's basically saying, you don't need to know anything, as long as you look cool, and that's a bad statement...
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Anybody remember a "band" from the 60s, called the Monkees? I used to love their records when I was a kid. They rocked, I thought at the time. Davey was the cutest one, Mickey was cute too. Mike was... well, he had a cute hat. Peter was the blond goofy one, so that was cute in its own way. They all looked cool, by the standards of the time. And they had a TV show! Of course, we later found out that the "band" was assembled by entertainment business dweebs, they didn't play on their own records, they didn't write their own songs, Mike was the only one who could play his instrument before they got together, etc. The whole thing was fabricated. Talk about posing! So there's nothing new about that. It didn't stop me from wearing out their records for a couple of years before moving on to better music.
The fact that Fallout Boy had been together a while before fame gives them a bit of credibility in my book.
Actually, I think it's the eyeliner that bugs me... :p
 
#54
Eric618 said:
I could really give a rat's tail who you think is better or not, nor could I care less about "hurting your feelings". I, and others, merely pointed out that you compared Wentz to Winger, and you were called on it, based on their resume credentials and outright talent. Just admit you made a horrible comparison, instead of crying "hair band".
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You want a better comparison? How about Paul Simonon?

He was recruited into the Clash by Mick Jones who had to teach him to play bass after giving up on teaching him to play guitar. Simonon had to paint the notes onto his fretboard so he could remember them. He was clearly more interested in style over substance, as he initially concerned himself more with the group's look than its sound. I believe he even came up with the band's name.

But here's the difference. Simonon eventually became more than competent as a bass player. I love playing his lines and his reggae influence is actually one of the things that sets The Clash apart from other punk or punk-influenced bands.

I think that's what rubs bassplayers the wrong way about Wentz. Or at least it does for me. It seems that for him music is a means to an end and not an end unto itself. An article on the band stated that he isn't involved in writing the music, but only acting as a lyricist. He's Bernie Taupin using the bass as a prop to get himself onstage.

I've noticed that it's not necessarily poor play that gets specific bass players hammered here on TB. It's when someone doesn't show any dedication to what is theoretically their craft. And that is certainly my perception of Wentz. It isn't just that he's a bad bass player. It's that he doesn't seem to care that he's a bad bass player.
 
#55
TheBigO said:
You want a better comparison? How about Paul Simonon?

He was recruited into the Clash by Mick Jones who had to teach him to play bass after giving up on teaching him to play guitar. Simonon had to paint the notes onto his fretboard so he could remember them. He was clearly more interested in style over substance, as he initially concerned himself more with the group's look than its sound. I believe he even came up with the band's name.

But here's the difference. Simonon eventually became more than competent as a bass player. I love playing his lines and his reggae influence is actually one of the things that sets The Clash apart from other punk or punk-influenced bands.

I think that's what rubs bassplayers the wrong way about Wentz. Or at least it does for me. It seems that for him music is a means to an end and not an end unto itself. An article on the band stated that he isn't involved in writing the music, but only acting as a lyricist. He's Bernie Taupin using the bass as a prop to get himself onstage.

I've noticed that it's not necessarily poor play that gets specific bass players hammered here on TB. It's when someone doesn't show any dedication to what is theoretically their craft. And that is certainly my perception of Wentz. It isn't just that he's a bad bass player. It's that he doesn't seem to care that he's a bad bass player.
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I couldn't agree more, thank you for saying what I somehow failed to be able to say.
 
#56
MammaryVest said:
I have...we're really good.
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I don't know about really good, but I dig it. You have some rough edges to smooth out, but "Look Good, Die Young" does a good job of copping a Dinosaur Jr. meets Elvis Costello vibe.

My only criticism is that right now your sound is a bit derivative. Even though I like your influences, you need to work on developing your own voice a little more.
 
#57
MammaryVest said:
First of all, I agree that there are people in the world who would better fit a comparison with Pete Wentz. However, I did not compare him to Kip Winger, someone else did. I merely stated that he was a tool, a fact which I find to be undeniable. While on topic, the comparison I make between the two is the low standard that they set for popular music. The band (Winger) is terrible, the band (Fall Out Boy) is terrible. Both of these individuals contribute to the product of these two bands, and in my opinion, severely underestimate the intelligence of their audience (a disapointment considering the high number of records they sell) All I'm saying is that for all we know, they could both play Classical Thump backwards note for note while doing their Nancy-boy spins blindfolded in a windstorm, none of us will ever know, but the fact remains that the trash that they feed the public is sub-par crap, and that's my complaint with the two of them.
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And that I would agree with to a point... But (and I don't have an answer personally), would you rather play the role of Victor, being just downright SICK and have very few people know who you are, OR would you rather suck eggs, but be known by EVERYONE (love or hate)?

Again, it's not a smart-ass question, I'm serious. I don't know what I'd want. I think I'd pansy out personally. :(
 
#58
TheBigO said:
I've noticed that it's not necessarily poor play that gets specific bass players hammered here on TB. It's when someone doesn't show any dedication to what is theoretically their craft. And that is certainly my perception of Wentz. It isn't just that he's a bad bass player. It's that he doesn't seem to care that he's a bad bass player.
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Totally agree with this statement.
 

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