I might be kicked off TB for this, but.....

[One Drop]

lame is not an insult you rinser.

Okay, now you'll have to define rinser for those that don't speak Strine.

 

[anavar]

Okay, now you'll have to define rinser for those that don't speak Strine.

i have actually really wanted to make a thread about Aussie slang, its the best

'Rinser' - Someone who is annoying
'A few Roos (kangaroo) loose in the top paddock' - a bit strange or lacking mentally
'as mean as cats piss' - Mean, uncharitable, unhelpful
'dead as a dingos donger' - dry, dusty or old
'going for a dingos breakfast' - the ritual of waking up, having a wee, yawning then looking for food
'you dunny rat' - someone who is sly or cunning
'flat out like a lizard drinking' - really busy
'mate thats a shag (sex) on a rock' - duh, thats obvious

i could go on.

sorry for small derail.

 

[One Drop]

i have actually really wanted to make a thread about Aussie slang, its the best

'Rinser' - Someone who is annoying
'A few Roos (kangaroo) loose in the top paddock' - a bit strange or lacking mentally
'as mean as cats piss' - Mean, uncharitable, unhelpful
'dead as a dingos donger' - dry, dusty or old
'going for a dingos breakfast' - the ritual of waking up, having a wee, yawning then looking for food
'you dunny rat' - someone who is sly or cunning
'flat out like a lizard drinking' - really busy
'mate thats a shag (sex) on a rock' - duh, thats obvious

i could go on.

sorry for small derail.

The first few being, of course, terms of endearment and not insults.

 

[Rugmaster]

A dingo ate my baby! And who's the rinser that put those tags up there? "F Jaco?" Wow...

 

[Vinny Tomassetti]

Keeping with someone in a similar vain, I'd take Jeff Berlin over Jaco any day of the week.

 

[the yeti]

"None of those people made thousands of girls scream and pee themselves to the point of creating rivers of piss flowing down the floor under the seats, all the while crying hysterically."

the yeti drops the mike, walks offstage. the end.

impossible not to sig that.

 

[Stu Rose]

I'm really just not that into Jaco.

Now before the lynching begins, I do greatly respect what he has done as a bassist. I am completely aware of the impact he has has on our instrument.

I am just not a fan of his material. I have given many videos on Youtube of him an honest chance. I find it is lacking groove with a very undesirable tone.

In the interest of an open discussion, I will gladly watch an listen to anything that you may suggest. I honestly do want to find something of his that I can really latch onto, but so far, I haven't.

Does anyone else feel this way about any other trailblazing bassists?

I perfer Stanley Clark 100x more... Not a Jaco fan but i respect him for sure...

 

[anavar]

The first few being, of course, terms of endearment and not insults.

you got it!

The Australian art of insulting is actually really odd. We call our mates c**ts and complete strangers "mate".

its very hard to tell when we're actually being insulting and meaning disrespect, because our language is so vulgar in the first place. Old mate Bucephylus didn't get it so ah, oh well

 

[ChrisCassisi]

I feel the same OP. Did a lot for the instrument and have a huge amount of respect but it is definitely not my first go to stuff for listening. Feel the same way about The Rolling Stones and Nirvana. Great bands that really did a lot for their genres just not a big fan.

 

[JackANSI]

Can you provide examples of Jaco losing the beat and not finding his place in the rhythm? If that is your definition of groove Jaco most certainly had it. The man could play almost any style with ease. He was hired by many band leaders for his grasp on rhythm. Zawinul didn't work with slouches. I am not even going to address the "who knows if those were his choices" statement as Jaco was hired for his abilities and not as a studio musician expected to deliver other people's parts.

Again, nobody who has built their name and reputation on groove can possibly be considered "without grove." How do you think people get hired or become name players in such groove heavy genres? It certainly isn't by lacking a groove. I stated my reasons for the absurdity of a notion, I am sorry if they were not clear enough.

That is not an attack on the person it is an indicator that they may not understand grooving. That is like me saying "Stephen Hawkins is terrible at physics." As a person who has no grasp on physics I lack the background to qualify such a statement. A person without groove could have a hard time discerning groove, it's not a diss it's an observation.

EDIT: I forgot to address your last question. Not everybody gets groove or likes to groove, nothing wrong with not enjoying Jaco's groove. If you don't find a swingin' 16th bass line groovin' the issue is not with the bass line or the player, it's with the listener.

My opinion, you sound like a hipster. "If you don't like him, you don't get it man!". You can't look at it that way and be taken seriously by me. Any "examples" or "evidence" would/will just be ignored by you but...

Any of the solos he does are disjointed and have no sense of groove (and he just about solos behind many "songs" too). Just wanking for wanking's sake, not a groove, not a statement of feeling.

Your opinion about him is way different than mine. Get over it. He's just not that good that he is universally loved. Period.

Just going to ignore anything else you have to say as it's just not worth my time to be insulted by someone such as you.

 

[rjovin]

Sting also did alot for bass being recognized but he is not a great bass player, just can sing where most bass player can't sing and play bass.

 

[hintz]

I perfer Stanley Clark 100x more... Not a Jaco fan but i respect him for sure...

Same here! I much prefer Stanley's writing style with his solo albums and ill take Return To Forever over Weather Report anytime! Both were/are great though, fusion before it became elevator music

I was told by one of my mentors the 2 had a friendly and light hearted rivalry in their heyday, as they were debatably the 2 best bassists in the jazz/fusion scene at the time(I do think its fair to compare the 2 as they were com

My same mentor broke it down nice and simple for me what he saw as the big difference between the 2: Stanley had flashier chops(slap, 3-4 finger technique for lightning speed) where Jaco had a much deeper musical understanding...i won't dispute that, and I think a comparison between them is fair as well considering genre and era!

 

[-Asdfgh-]

Some drummers don't like Bonham.

I certainly wouldn't see Bonham as the pinnacle of drumming and have support in this view from.... Bonham!

But was Bonham the best drummer for Led Zep? Almost certainly? Was he a great drummer? Yes. Breaking it down more probably isn't especially fruitful.

Jaco obviously had an influence in a particular area of playing, as did others in the same period (Percy Jones being an example) but I'm not convinced it's had much influence on much of the playing you hear on the radio outside a Jazz station. Even Percy Jones hasn't had much influence in the mainstream, although it sounds like Mick Karn may have listened to some Brand X, and maybe it was an influence in his choice of bass.

Jones would be an influence on me if I had the skill, but I gave up trying!

 

[Max Blasto]

Yep. Jaco was a visionary. He redefined the role of the instrument. But...

I stand by what I said. More people like JT than Jaco.

It's irrelevant who is better.

Can't agree with this. This supposes art is a democracy. It is not.

I'm sorry, you're flat out wrong.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

Meh, not a big deal. I'm not really into Rush and I'm Canadian, so I understand how you feel.

Isn't it more accurate to say you were Canadian and the papers revoking your citizenship are being put into the post as we speak?

 

[Venom of God]

I don't think I like a single "oh you're a bass player you must like ... " bassist.

 

[One Drop]

you got it!

The Australian art of insulting is actually really odd. We call our mates c**ts and complete strangers "mate".

its very hard to tell when we're actually being insulting and meaning disrespect, because our language is so vulgar in the first place. Old mate Bucephylus didn't get it so ah, oh well

It's only because I have Ozzie friends and have spent time there that I wouldn't have taken it the same way. Add to that the difficulty of expressing the subtleties of meaning in the spoken word, the margin for misunderstandings is pretty obvious.

 

[Mike Sorr]

I know where you're coming from despite the fact that I am on the other side of this fence. I love Jaco. I dig his tone, and how can you listen to "Come On, Come Over" and say he has no groove? Having said that I feel about Jeff Berlin the way you do about Jaco. I know that's a mortal sin too. I respect the guy for being a brilliant musician, but I just can't stand his playing.

 

[One Drop]

My opinion, you sound like a hipster. "If you don't like him, you don't get it man!". You can't look at it that way and be taken seriously by me. Any "examples" or "evidence" would/will just be ignored by you but...

Any of the solos he does are disjointed and have no sense of groove (and he just about solos behind many "songs" too). Just wanking for wanking's sake, not a groove, not a statement of feeling.

Your opinion about him is way different than mine. Get over it. He's just not that good that he is universally loved. Period.

Just going to ignore anything else you have to say as it's just not worth my time to be insulted by someone such as you.

No one is that good that they will be universally loved.

Jazz is a different genre, with lots of room for extended experimentation, and the expectations of the listeners are different, which should be taken into account.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Ah, thread template #6 aka "The liver template"...

"I don't like liver" starts a conversation where folks who don't like liver will chime in, others will say it's cool if you don't. Then there are those who are bothered by you not liking liver, they love liver and could eat it every day. They feel compelled to get your tastes to line up with theirs.

The OP doesn't care for Jaco. IMO cool.
He thinks he sounded farty barky, whatever that is... check. Jaco had no groove... purely personal observation. If it's sincere, what's the problem? If it's meant to poke the bear, why be so predictable that someone can poke you that easily? I call that one "The Dennis Rodman Strategy". It's amazing that it works as easily as it does. Why not go for "The Dude Response" instead?

Just offering that as an option. It wouldn't be TB without Dennis posting a liver thread and only a handful taking the Dude's stance.