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I really hope those attending the Boston Marathon make it through this.

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My cab company is located 8 miles west of Copley Sq.
The second i heard about the bombings, i remembered one of my
Drivers was heading for a pickup at South Station.
I mayday'd to him immediately to return to base.its my job to keep my drivers alive, i felt bad for the abandoned customer- but the driver is practically family.
 
To think, within an hour of this event, I had friends "soapboxing" about gunlaws and the like...couldn't believe how crass they were about it either. People died, and serious mayhem, and that's the first opportunistic thing compelled to spout? Outrageous.

I respect the views on both sides of the debate, but damnit, that was way too soon, and in poor taste.
 
This is the third terror attack on my city in 12 years.
Two planes were hijacked 9/11/01.

About a year later, Richard Reid "the shoe bomber" was caught and foiled trying to ignite an explosive in his shoe before his plane took off while taxiing to the runway at Boston Logan airport.
Now this.
Boston gets picked on because of our liberal policies and being a primary community of the 1776 revolution.

Of course what most of you outside of Mass dont realize- they did this on "Patriots Day"- a Mass state holiday.

My first customer today...usually wears a Habib and Berka- today looked very uncomfortable in Western clothing. Very defensive. Would have been refreshing if she had taken a stand with me against terrorism...

But sadly not surprising.
 
My first customer today...usually wears a Habib and Berka- today looked very uncomfortable in Western clothing. Very defensive. Would have been refreshing if she had taken a stand with me against terrorism...

But sadly not surprising.

Why is her worrying about her own safety, from people looking for a scapegoat, anything to do with standing against terrorism?

Particularly after the post-9/11 attitudes towards innocent Muslims.
 
Why is her worrying about her own safety, from people looking for a scapegoat, anything to do with standing against terrorism?

Particularly after the post-9/11 attitudes towards innocent Muslims.

According to my father, who lived through WWII, during the war most German and Japanese immigrants put giant american flags out on their lawns and businesses to join in the solidarity against the oppressing nations we were at war with.
I took no issue with her clothing today or any other day.
When i named the terrorists as monsters she was defensive. This implies sympathy, not collusion however... with people who MAY be her countrymen.
If i were living abroad and AMERICAN terrorists were in the news bombing the city i was living in, id be the first to label them as MONSTERS for killing innocents.
 
Off topic: the japanese were put in internment camps in WWII.

On topic: two of my cousins work in the prudential & heard the blast. One of them used to run the marathon, so glad she didn't decide to go down there.
 
One more cogent point- Americans are EXTREMELY tolerant of people who live here who come from "terror harboring countries". Incidents of violence against people from these countries and cultures are isolated and rare.
This morning i exercised my dying free speech and liberty CAREFULLY both in my livery sedan and here on TB.
The only GROUP i did or will mention was Al Queda with this customer, known and admitted monsters.

I realize my views are non PC and expect to be vilified.
Liberty can be painful. One must take a stand for what one believes is right.
 
According to my father, who lived through WWII, during the war most German and Japanese immigrants put giant american flags out on their lawns and businesses to join in the solidarity against the oppressing nations we were at war with.
I took no issue with her clothing today or any other day.
When i named the terrorists as monsters she was defensive. This implies sympathy, not collusion however... with people who MAY be her countrymen.
If i were living abroad and AMERICAN terrorists were in the news bombing the city i was living in, id be the first to label them as MONSTERS for killing innocents.

Right, just from the original post it seemed like it was more to do with what she was wearing and how she was acting.

I wouldn't say that being defensive implies sympathy. If anything I'd bet she'll be pretty shaken, not only was there an attack in the city where she lives, but she knows she may also be seen as 'one of the enemy', even at this early stage where the source of the attack is unknown. Who knows, maybe she felt she was being accused, maybe she, as with many of the Muslim community, has been dealing with persecution to some degree for much of the past decade?

On an even more primitive level, we all deal with tragedy in a different way, while some people will be out for blood others will be in shock or mourning.

While I wholeheartedly agree that this was a horrific attack carried out by a cowardly monster. To respond to your last paragraph, there is the whole "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" thing, to take from a previous group which was mentioned, look at the IRA, plenty of Americans supported their actions and you can still find "Carbombs" being sold in bars in the US. It'd be akin to a drink called "Plane Crashes" in M.E. regions.
 
One more cogent point- Americans are EXTREMELY tolerant of people who live here who come from "terror harboring countries". Incidents of violence against people from these countries and cultures are isolated and rare.
This morning i exercised my dying free speech and liberty CAREFULLY both in my livery sedan and here on TB.
The only GROUP i did or will mention was Al Queda with this customer, known and admitted monsters.

I realize my views are non PC and expect to be vilified.
Liberty can be painful. One must take a stand for what one believes is right.

Though there was an increase in violence against them post-9/11. Heck, those isolated incidents can be enough to scare larger communities. Look at the impact of the 9/11 attacks on the way the world looked at flying. The impact of the Sandy Hook or Columbine shootings. More locally to myself, the Dunblane shootings. Isolated incidents can have a big impact on how we look at things.

I'm not against your asking or talking about it, far from it, I'm just disagreeing with the conclusions drawn from the interaction.

Maybe being stuck in the back of a car with someone who is presumably bigger and stronger than her, and feeling that she's being related to the likes of middle eastern terrorists was enough of a reason for her to be defensive.
 
To think, within an hour of this event, I had friends "soapboxing" about gunlaws and the like...couldn't believe how crass they were about it either. People died, and serious mayhem, and that's the first opportunistic thing compelled to spout? Outrageous.

I respect the views on both sides of the debate, but damnit, that was way too soon, and in poor taste.
I agree. During the BRIEF time I allowed myself to view one of those "free fire" type comments pages, the politicking was flat-out disgusting.

Now getting back to the victims: I'm glad to see the death toll didn't rise overnight. Small victories.*sigh* I don't think I can bring myself to read the story of the 8 year old who died yesterday waiting for his dad to cross the finish line.:(
 
Right, just from the original post it seemed like it was more to do with what she was wearing and how she was acting.

I wouldn't say that being defensive implies sympathy. If anything I'd bet she'll be pretty shaken, not only was there an attack in the city where she lives, but she knows she may also be seen as 'one of the enemy', even at this early stage where the source of the attack is unknown. Who knows, maybe she felt she was being accused, maybe she, as with many of the Muslim community, has been dealing with persecution to some degree for much of the past decade?

+1. If I were a Muslim living in America, I would feel edgy and defensive after an episode like this too. It would be lovely if everyone could be supremely calm, wise, and saintly, but Muslims are human beings too.

I have a good friend who is a Sikh and wears a turban. It's a whole separate religion that has nothing to do with Islam or terrorism. But because of the turban, he's had to deal with some very scary confrontations since 9/11. Luckily none of them resulted in anyone getting hurt.

And I should comment, I have seen marches and protests by Muslims against radicalism and terrorism. Under the overwhelming opinion of Muslim schools of thought, a jihad can only be called by a Caliph, and there is no one in the modern Muslim world who is generally accepted to hold that authority. A random self-appointed imam cannot just go and call a jihad by issuing a fatwa. Therefore the actions of groups like Al-Qaeda are illegal under shari'a, and from what I've seen mainstream Muslims have been quite consistent about affirming that.

At any rate, at this point I VERY strongly doubt that the bombing in Boston has anything to do with Al-Qaeda or any such organized terrorist group. Those groups proudly announce their responsibility after such attacks, because the whole point of terrorism is to publicize your struggle. Since no one has announced responsibility, I think it's overwhelmingly likely that we're dealing with a freelancer - possibly inspired by Al-Qaeda without being connected to them, like that guy who went on a shooting rampage at a military base a while ago, or possibly some kind of home-grown neo-nazi or conspiracy theorist or something along the lines of Timothy McVeigh or the Unabomber, or possibly another one of these psychopathic, alienated kids like the ones from Columbine and Newtown.

What bothers me the most, perhaps, is the idea that America has become the kind of country where this is the "new normal," where the threat of mass shootings or random bombings is starting to become a routine part of the world we live in. I remember when the idea of a terrorist attack on US soil was an odd fiction. Now it's a reality - not just once, but a recurring reality.
 
My cab company is located 8 miles west of Copley Sq.
The second i heard about the bombings, i remembered one of my
Drivers was heading for a pickup at South Station.
I mayday'd to him immediately to return to base.its my job to keep my drivers alive, i felt bad for the abandoned customer- but the driver is practically family.

Wow. Props to you for taking action; I couldn't imagine being a part of something like this. Who knows, maybe I will...

Right, just from the original post it seemed like it was more to do with what she was wearing and how she was acting.

I wouldn't say that being defensive implies sympathy....

+1.

I hope that once this person (or this group of people) is found that we will, to the best of our ability, show the masses that indiscriminate killings do no good to anyone, regardless of who you think you're doing it for or what message you think you will get across
 
I do think it is far to early to start placing blame. We simply don't know who attacked us. And any talk about political gain from this issue is simply sick. People who are doing that at this point should be shunned quite simply.
 
some of the assumptions in this thread are disgusting; WE DON'T KNOW who did this yet, so let's wait until the facts are in. if we jump to conclusions and live in disharmony with our neighbors then the terrorists have won.

what sickens me most is the attack was timed NOT when the elite runners were crossing the finish line and the whole world was watching (which would be horrible enough), but rather two hours later when ordinary people were finishing the race: moms, dads, students, neighbors, amateurs running their first boston marathon, etc. :(
 
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