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I think I stop believing in expensive basses!

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#421
Roy Vogt said:
No problem. Welcome! Glad you're here.:)
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Thank you for the welcome , and happy to be here.

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On a side topic: Are some of these Fodera's really in upwards of $15K ?
Do they go even higher?
What's an average one run? If there is an average one.
 
#422
odin70 said:
You could say I lost my faith in science and progress
You could say I lost my belief in the holy church
I think I stop believing in expensive basses!
You could say all of this and worse but

If I ever lose my faith in you
There'd be nothing left for me to do

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Played on a bass that was made by a small luthier, competitor for state of the art at the time,1956, fell out of favor quickly, rediscovered, now rare and vintage and expensive to purchase, reissued, revered and copied. Who knew?
 
#423
I think a lot of it boils down to what you want your tone to be. If you are looking for that P-Bass or J-Bass tone then you really dont need to spend 2000+ dollars on a boutique brand bass.
For me personally i've always enjoyed agressive tone. Tone that has growl to it without adding any sort of distortion pedal, heavy mid cut but with very pronounced and clear lows. I never found a bass i liked until one day i bought a Ibanez Swamp Ash body bass.

I realised Swamp Ash was the tone wood for me, however the quality of the bass didnt actually take me the rest of the way. The neck was too wide for me, the maple top gave it too much brightness where i didnt want it, and the general playability wasnt what i wanted.

I then discovered Dingwall basses, i bought myself a $2000 Swamp Ash bass. And let me tell you. The difference was night and day. Before, my low B-string was always very "flubby" sounding and wasnt clear. Now my low B-string is the envy of everyone in my band. It literally just kicks them in the gut but you hear every individual note. My tone has this really low gutteral growl to it ever time i play which adds to the ferocity of our music.

So in the end, i believe heavily in Expensive Basses, but only if you know EXACTLY what you want first.
 
#424
Kamael83 said:
Hi!

1. We have this saying in my country that for a bad ballet dancer even piece of her dress makes an obstacle. Meaning.... if you are crap at something you will complaint about everything.
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Unfortunately we have a few bad ballet dancers on this forum. Bass players probably shouldn't be wearing tutu's, but that certainly would explain the insecure comments.
 
#427
I used to own a Squier Classic Vibe P-bass. I traded it to get a MIM Fender Jazz bass (needless to say I got the better end of the deal). I played that primarily for about a month, then got a Dingwall ABZ5. In every way the Dingwall is a superior bass. Am I a better play with the Dingwall? No, but I sound better, and am more comfortable on the Dingwall. Similar thing has happened when I upgraded my Upright Bass from a laminate to a fully carved romanian. I (and my wallet) wish I could agree with the fact that nice basses aren't worth the money, but as far as my experiences go they have proven they are.
 
#429
Alrod said:
I have never seen so many words add up to nothing. You think you are doing people a favor, seriously?!? Critical thought?!? You are an egomaniac/narcissistic that cannot admit to being wrong. Calling everone else "wrong" discredits you in the biggest way. Hopefully people can see through your envy driven ego. Troll doesnt even begin to describe you. What qualifies you to belive that you are right about everything and everyone else is wrong. Talk about a God complex. You need to do some deep soul searching.
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When one is unable to add any commentary of worth or rebuttal of thoughtful value, a self-righteous ad hominem attack is of course the tool of choice for every thoughtful intellectual.

This screed reflects far more on the individual who spews it than it does upon its target. The grammatical and spelling errors are only the frosting on the cake.

iJazz - Thanks for playing, Alrod. I knew I could count on you.
 
#431
fenderhutz said:
Probably closer than you would think. It just wouldn't look as pretty or cost nearly as much.

Wood is wood. Every piece is different, and yet the same. It all comes from a forest somewhere.

Couple hundred bucks in a decent bridge and tuners with that Squier and I bet you would have a very good bass and yes, it would sound spectacular.
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Wood is wood as much as people are people and even with the same tools and training, they can't all do the same job equally
 
#432
Our instruments range in price from $4,750 for a Standard 4-string to $30,000 for a 6-string Solid/Acoustic Hybrid. That said, the vast majority of the instruments going out the door (quantity-wise) end up costing between $4,750 and $10,000.

When you strip out all of the exotic woods and "cosmetic" options (i.e. things that do not effect tone), our Custom basses run between $6,150 for a 4-string and $8,550 for a 6-string (using the Bolt-on build method). Those are street prices and include any scale length, neck profile, pickup spacing, bridge spacing, body thickness and contours...all of which can be spec'd to the customer's desires at no additional charge.

The two Standard Models most ordered (our Yin Yang Standard and Emperor 5 Standard) cost $4,750 and $5,750 respectively.

All of that said, if a customer chooses a neck-through build type, super-exotic top, Dual Coil Pickups with matching wooden pick-up covers, a 9-piece neck, lots of inlay work, etc., prices can definitely get north of $15,000...

Our current Price List is always posted here:

http://www.fodera.com/PublicPages/PriceLists.aspx

Regards,

Jason

1SHOT1HIT said:
On a side topic: Are some of these Fodera's really in upwards of $15K ?
Do they go even higher?
What's an average one run? If there is an average one.
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#434
Just Thumpin' said:
Our instruments range in price from $4,750 for a Standard 4-string to $30,000 for a 6-string Solid/Acoustic Hybrid. That said, the vast majority of the instruments going out the door (quantity-wise) end up costing between $4,750 and $10,000.

When you strip out all of the exotic woods and "cosmetic" options (i.e. things that do not effect tone), our Custom basses run between $6,150 for a 4-string and $8,550 for a 6-string (using the Bolt-on build method). Those are street prices and include any scale length, neck profile, pickup spacing, bridge spacing, body thickness and contours...all of which can be spec'd to the customer's desires at no additional charge.

The two Standard Models most ordered (our Yin Yang Standard and Emperor 5 Standard) cost $4,750 and $5,750 respectively.

All of that said, if a customer chooses a neck-through build type, super-exotic top, Dual Coil Pickups with matching wooden pick-up covers, a 9-piece neck, lots of inlay work, etc., prices can definitely get north of $15,000...

Our current Price List is always posted here:

http://www.fodera.com/PublicPages/PriceLists.aspx

Regards,

Jason
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Somewhat off topic, but: what would you estimate is the proportion of your basses going to professional musicians vs. non-pros?
 
#436
iJazz said:
iJazz - Thanks for playing, Alrod. I knew I could count on you.
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Interesting comment. Based on your screed (cool word, thanks for sharing), I am under the impression that you were planted here to stir things up, and to keep people coming back. Kind of like Nancy Grace. I will admit you are good at it. I refuse to believe that anyone can be that self righteous. I hope they are paying you well.

As far as the spelling and grammar, seriously dude? Its a bass forum. I don't think we are being graded. Life is to short to be critiquing posts on a forum. Read your posts, plenty of errors there, but you know what, at the end of the day it doesn't matter.
 
#437
Wood is wood? There is a big difference between a peice of 100 year old air dried alder and the stuff you get off the shelf at Home Depot. Whether you believe that they sound different is up for debate, but, surely one is more structurally sound. That might not be important to you, but there is a difference.
 
#439
MVPBASS said:
Ok, no one its better than anyone else, unless you are Mike. Better?
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Much....just glad we clears that up.

Now, I'll drive up to Grand Blanc and take those FBasses off your hands and give you a Squire Jazz.
Its much better for you.
 
#440
lfmn16 said:
Not believing it don't make it so. :D
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Well, I've owned Foderas and I've owned others costing in the $3k range. (And many others in the sub $2k range.)
Beyond that point, its diminishing returns. Period.

Just thumpin said it as well. The vast majority of guys I know with uber expensive basses, the cost of the bass is more in aesthetics than the bass for the tone itself.
$500 for a headstock veneer. $500 for custom wood covers, $1000 for custom inlays.........etc.....

Since Fodera is a jumping off point .......give me a.base model monarch and one with $10000 more in options, which is very do able.
Which is "better"......neither. And that's my point.

IMO the playing field becomes significantly more level when you break the $2000 mark.
On a $2500 I really have a hard time finding much, if anything wrong with one.
A $3500 bass......good luck finding something.
 
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