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Ibanez BTB Club, Part 2!

i've noticed its changed over the years.

my BTB1006 (2004) is definitely 19mm/3/4". my BTB406 (2000) is 18 mm. both are comfy and easy to play.

Different models (possibly different years, too!) vary in spacings.. my first BTB was the BTB200 pictured in an earlier post.. really narrow nut. I've since picked up a BTB400QM and a MIJ BTB600.. two different nut widths again! The bridge spacing is the same on each of these; shame really as I'm used to 17 or 17.5mm on 5 strings.
I'm experimenting on the 200 with different bridges, as the 200 has a front-mount bridge, before I think of any surgical works on the others which have the MR-2 rails routed into the face.

Loving the 35" scale (same as two of my 5er fretlesses).. anyone in Northern England got a 1000E or other high spec 4 string I could get a go on? My appetite is well and truly whetted!
 
Here's my threesome so far.. BTB 200 (Indonesian '07), 400QM (Korean '95) and 600 (Japan '99) in the middle.
I just scored a Schaller 2000 adjustable bridge on Ebay, so that's now showing on the 200. Current spacing set at 17mm, sooo comfy!
I've dropped a set of EMG J pickups into the 600, which has really lifted it above the 400 both in volume and tone. Presumably these two have the same preamp; same controls and the board looks the same at first glance. The 600 now has so much more solidity than the 200 (EMG 40P and 40DC equipped) but that should be no surprise. Might just have to break out the router and do some rail-shifting. Either that or work out how to get the Schaller onto the 600 working around the rail routs.
As per last post, necks are as follows:
BTB..........Nut..........Nut spacing....23rd fret.......Year
200.......38mm/ 1 1/2"....10mm..........61mm........07 Ind
400QM...42 / 1 11/16.....11mm..........63mm........95 Kor
600.......40 / 1 9/16.......10.5mm.......62.5mm......99 MIJ

It could be interesting (or just plain geeky, depending on your point of view!) to build up some kind of database of such dimensions..
 

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Can anyone tell me the string spacing on the 4-string BTBs? There is a BTB570FM that I'm considering buying (sucker for that green flamed maple), even though I tried a 5-string in store before and hated it because of the spacing and neck width. If it's standard 4-string spacing I should be fine with it.
 
Hiya,

Firstly, all over google I see plenty of examples of 1999 BTB basses and it seems some had narrower nut widths and string spacings than we're normally associating with btb designs. However it's just heresy - I don't personally know if they really exist, but there are plenty of people claiming they do.

So you could possibly be right about having a 1999 model.

Secondly, and way more cool imho, is that I now own one too! I picked up a 5 string 405QM off CL a while back. Needed HUGE things done to it as it was nearly unplayable... and I'm still working on it and have a ways to go, but it's already VERY cool.

I'll take pics once I'm at home (time permitting).

running it's serial I get this:

Your guitar was made at the
World Plant, Korea
April 2001
Production Number: 3097

So that's a good starting place.

Problems (known so far) are these:

- action was insanely high (like 1/2" at top frets).

- strings were dead (which made it hard to know if it was worth buying... but I took a chance)

- strange finish problem under b string between the pickups... I'll have to show you guys when I get the pics done. looks like a flaw in the finish that seems like it's below the clearcoat.... not sure how that got through QA. maybe this was a reduced price blemish model.... it's pretty dramatic though.

- the dual concentric mid controls are snapped off (which TOTALLY sucks... nobody seems to sell the right dual pot locally, will have to hope I can order one from ibanez and wait weeks for the damn thing). Fortunately it works as is and sounds really good, but I can't use it seriously without that obviously. there's nothing to turn so I can't play with the best feature of this bass's electronics :-( boohoo

- the neck was either too straight or possibly bent slightly convex. after lowering action like mad at the bridge half of the frets became unplayable. now I know why the bridge was raise so much. Too bad a real tech never got his hands on this thing before now though.

- even after loosening truss rods (which didnt' need much before the nuts got loose... which concerned me at first but got much better after letting the neck sit under string tension for a couple of days) there is still a buzz on some strings when fretting the first fret and playing. not open, and not 2nd fret played or higher (for the most part). So either fret 2 is too high or fret 1 is too low.

- lots of pot noises and scraping sounds when turning them

- the locking jack isn't exactly a great quality jack electronically-speaking... lots of issues with placement of the patch cord to get it to speak and not pop. will have to open it up and clean or adjust it.

- the bolt on neck seem slightly mis aligned in it's pocket - the b string, by the top frets, is nearly off the fingerboard (right at the edge) and the g string has far too much room over the board up high on the neck.

- the B string sounds different, less good, even in the first few notes (that only a B can hit). THis is after putting on a new set of elixirs (the only 5 string set I could find in stainless steel at my local shop that day). I don't normally buy elixirs but didn't expect the B to sound inferior to the other strings. I've tried lowering the B (it's as low as possible almost now) and it still is slightly quieter than the rest and not as interesting sounding. This may, of course, be due to the strings being misaligned over the pickups with the crooked neck socket mounting job, but it seems unlikely to be the main problem unless the bridge pieces themselves are what were mounted crooked (every one of them!?) rather than the neck being crooked. I highly doubt that though, so strings near bridge should be pretty close to correct position, and they look pretty centred over pickups to me at a quick glance.

Sorry for long list and wordiness. I like this bass but don't love it just yet. If the B can sound better then I might just love it. What do you guys think? elixir B sucks? it's likely not string height. the crooked neck joint? (I'm assuming that is the problem I described with string over fingerboard positioning, don't know for a fact though) I'm going to have to take the neck off and see if I can re-attach it so it is better lined up. that sucks, but what can ya do. other ideas?

I normally play DR strings (on my musicman american sub 5) and the B strings are perfect sounding on those... maybe I should pickup a set of those for this bass. But I could easily spend as much as another bass on strings alone if I keep replacing them while I work on it, so I think I'll hold off until other known physical repairs are done.

It IS a nice looking great sounding good playing bass. no where near as compact or fast as my musicman or my cort GB, but it's cool all the same. thing is, my MM sub is fretless, my GB is 4 string. I want a 5 string fretted too, very versatile if possible. Hoping this can become that bass.

Cheers All,
Don
 
heh... sorry for the giant post previously :-D

I had a beer last night and played my btb for a while - I was quite happy with the B string's level and overall tone then. Guess it needs beer goggles LoL

Also the first fret buzz problem wasn't as bad... guess I should drink more often

I still am curious about how the bolt on neck ended up slightly askew (presumably). I can't imagine they'd let this bass leave the factory with the neck alignment so far off.

Here are some pics of the issues:

The neck showing misalignment (B string is slightly showing over edge of neck by joint, G has a lot of neck edge beside it... something's definitely off here). You can see from the one angled rear shot where the edge of the B string shows pretty clearly!

It still sounds and plays great though - setting it up properly (myself) has made a huge improvement.
 

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Then we have the strange finish mark - remmeber there is clearcoat ON TOP of this and it looks original to me, like a giant blemish underneath the clearcoat. But who knows.

And in the body pics you can see the broken off mid control dual knob.... :-(

still excited by it and a happy camper - I hope I can get hold of a mid control soon!
 

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243 dkelley

Shame about all the problems with your bass. The neck alignment shouldn't be a hard fix, jut undo the neck screws a bit and push the neck into alignment, then re-tighten the screws.

I'll definitely give it a try. The midrange pot is on order....

Thanks for encouragement! I believe it's well worth the effort. I paid 3 bills for the bass, hard case in good condition, guitar stand and leather strap. I think all in all I can't complain but may have over paid a speck based on these issues, but worth far more to me if it turns out to be a daily driver...
 
Then we have the strange finish mark - remmeber there is clearcoat ON TOP of this and it looks original to me, like a giant blemish underneath the clearcoat. But who knows.

And in the body pics you can see the broken off mid control dual knob.... :-(

still excited by it and a happy camper - I hope I can get hold of a mid control soon!

That *might* be from where the previous owner rested their thumb and sweat/acid/whatever wore through the finish over time