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Identify the SX vs. Fender in the mix thread

Did we ever get an answer about which basses are used on which tracks?

I've played bass off and on since about 1974. I am not the most accomplished bassist in the world, to be sure. Just an amateur. But, I have owned a few basses and done some recording. So...

On a recording, I could probabaly use ten different basses and fool all of you. After a bass recording is compressed into that low thud and decay we hear so much, all chance at discernment is probabaly gone. If an engineer went out of his way to add treble and pluck, you'd probably suspect a Ric was at work, but the post-production adjustments could easily fool almost anyone. I know I am preaching to the choir here. I mean, Chris Squire and Randy Meisner both played Rics and they had wildly different tones. I would've never guessed Meisner played a Ric but for reading about it.

Live, you might have a better chance, but even then, at big arena concerts the bass sound gets pretty generic, at least to me. Shakes the foundations of the building and just rumbles, regardless of what bass is being used.

In a smaller club, at reasonable volume levels, then I might be able to hear real differences in basses, but even then, so much of the sound is caught up in the sound texture of the room, the amp, the eq, the effects, etc.

And as far as the collectability of older instruments, I am sure it has as much (or more) to do with baby-boomer nostalgia and how the instruments make you feel than the actual sound of the instrument. Same thing with the explosion in muscle car prices, as modern cars are generally much faster and better in nearly every way. A 1964 Fender Jazz is a collectible for many reasons other than its sound. I would suspect sound has much more to do with the collectibility of a Loar mandolin or a prewar Martin than it ever would with most amplified instruments, anyway.

So, I have two Fenders and recently got a used SX 5-string MM copy. SX sounds good, plays well, although it does humm quite a bit. Still love my Fenders.

Would love to have the answer from the OP.
 
Did we ever get an answer about which basses are used on which tracks?

I've played bass off and on since about 1974. I am not the most accomplished bassist in the world, to be sure. Just an amateur. But, I have owned a few basses and done some recording. So...

On a recording, I could probabaly use ten different basses and fool all of you. After a bass recording is compressed into that low thud and decay we hear so much, all chance at discernment is probabaly gone. If an engineer went out of his way to add treble and pluck, you'd probably suspect a Ric was at work, but the post-production adjustments could easily fool almost anyone. I know I am preaching to the choir here. I mean, Chris Squire and Randy Meisner both played Rics and they had wildly different tones. I would've never guessed Meisner played a Ric but for reading about it.

Live, you might have a better chance, but even then, at big arena concerts the bass sound gets pretty generic, at least to me. Shakes the foundations of the building and just rumbles, regardless of what bass is being used.

In a smaller club, at reasonable volume levels, then I might be able to hear real differences in basses, but even then, so much of the sound is caught up in the sound texture of the room, the amp, the eq, the effects, etc.

And as far as the collectability of older instruments, I am sure it has as much (or more) to do with baby-boomer nostalgia and how the instruments make you feel than the actual sound of the instrument. Same thing with the explosion in muscle car prices, as modern cars are generally much faster and better in nearly every way. A 1964 Fender Jazz is a collectible for many reasons other than its sound. I would suspect sound has much more to do with the collectibility of a Loar mandolin or a prewar Martin than it ever would with most amplified instruments, anyway.

So, I have two Fenders and recently got a used SX 5-string MM copy. SX sounds good, plays well, although it does humm quite a bit. Still love my Fenders.

Would love to have the answer from the OP.

See post 238 on page 12. :)
 
Of course I don't think you are a hack, Savit....my problem was with Mongo basically saying I am a poor crasftsman, which is an insult

You still spreading that line of BS? I quoted an old saying "It's a poor craftsman that blames his tools" that was just a generic statement and not even directed at you.

You admitted that you can't sound good an inexpensive bass and I still think that says a lot.

Somewhere in that thread I also said anyone who can't sound good on an inexpensive bass has no one but themselves to blame. I still stand by that statement.
 
Hey, everyone, you can stop arguing for a bit. Savit posted the lineup of which bass was on which track. Look back a few posts. I knew all along which was which, of course, but some of you might want to look and see if you got any right. ;)

Fun thread, Savit, thanks!


I had to check my memory bank on at least one track LOL!!

I'm pretty sure So She Says is the Fender.. I had to think on that one! :D


... or maybe it's the exact oposite of the answers I posted (evil laugh) :D
 
I like the idea of putting it to a test. I can't identify them by ear.

I'm a bit baffled at the suggestion that what matters most for a bass isn't how it sounds or plays live, but how it noodles in your living room.

I am a hobbiest, gigs are family/friend gatherings, and our recordings are distributed to the same people that get the Christmas cards. Even as an amateur, how a bass sounds recorded is very important to me, despite not having dreams beyond youtube.

And seeing another local music store closing in my area this month, I think recorded sound is increasingly important, given how much the industry has moved to long-distance purchasing (TB classifieds, for example).

I embrace the perceived value of brand-names, boutique quality, feel, mojo, etc.
But if the sound weren't there, you'd never get to be a desired brand-name.
 
I like the idea of putting it to a test. I can't identify them by ear.

I'm a bit baffled at the suggestion that what matters most for a bass isn't how it sounds or plays live, but how it noodles in your living room.

Me too. Sorta like buying a gun for protection and not caring if it fires or not, so long as it looks pretty and feels good. :hmm:
 
I got 'em all wrong. I picked the bass I thought sounded best--The Death and Taxes stuff--and called it the SX, just because I figured the one I thought sounded best would end up being the cheap bass. Go figure... Well, I thought the Fender sounded best.
 
I got 'em all wrong. I picked the bass I thought sounded best--The Death and Taxes stuff--and called it the SX, just because I figured the one I thought sounded best would end up being the cheap bass. Go figure... Well, I thought the Fender sounded best.

This is interesting, because I like the mix on the D&T stuff better than the mix of Truth Can Be Brutal stuff, even though it is the same everything....am I right Savit?

I can't listen to Homeward Bound objectively because Savit was talking about having to deal with new strings while recording that before I bought the CD....so now when I hear HB, I automatically listen for the new string sound....ugh! ;)
 
This is interesting, because I like the mix on the D&T stuff better than the mix of Truth Can Be Brutal stuff, even though it is the same everything....am I right Savit?

I can't listen to Homeward Bound objectively because Savit was talking about having to deal with new strings while recording that before I bought the CD....so now when I hear HB, I automatically listen for the new string sound....ugh! ;)

I always go into the studio with new strings, but play them in for about a half hour to or so just to take that brand new edge off and tame them a little.

On the "Homeward Bound" Sessions, the Fender and the SX both had strings I hadn't had the opportunity to briefly play in. The only track where it bothers me is "I'll Be There", because I think that was the first one I did with the SX. ;) Not that I hate that tone or anything, but one small thing I would do differently, if I was allowed a "do over" on that session. :)
 
This is interesting, because I like the mix on the D&T stuff better than the mix of Truth Can Be Brutal stuff, even though it is the same everything....am I right Savit?


I actually prefer the mix on the D&T record as well. There was a lot of commonality between those two C.D.'s as far as players instruments and amps used, but the two bands have very different feels IMO.