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"Inexpensive" strings

From what I understand, DM closed down their factory a while back.

La Bella, SIT, Stringjoy and Fodera also wind their own strings. And I'm sure a few European companies, such as T-I, etc.

EDIT: I almost forgot to mention Ernie Ball.

So let's list all these out that we think have independent shops winding strings.

Ernie Ball
La Bella
SIT
Stringjoy
Fodera
Rotosound
D'Addario
DR
TI
Dunlop
Markbass
GHS

I reckon this is a substantial fraction of the packaged string market for electric basses, at least 90+%. Not seeing much rebranding and overlap there.

From what I have seen and read, a lot of engineering goes into selecting and specifying string alloys, metal treatment, coatings, gauge selection of core and wrap, core shape, machine setup/parameters, and QA that yields the range of feel and sound we get from one brand/type/manufacturer to another. Even if you pick a fixed gauge, the range of products that fit that specific spec is vast. It's a business to make strings. They can't be 100% hype copies of another brand or the business will fizzle. They try to find some unique engineered product that will appeal to some segment of the market.

If someone feels like they are all pretty much the same, then they might have a very low sensitivity to string feel and sound. I can imagine with some style of play and sound, any old string will work just fine.
 
I believe Sfarzo winds their own strings as well. And I agree that there’s an awful lot more to it than just gauge. Different manufacturers’ strings and different product lines from each of those manufacturers are substantially different given the gauges being equal. It’s not just marketing.

There is, in fact, a fair amount of rebranding and subcontracting going on but that doesn’t suggest that all strings are the same. They’re not.
 
I recently tried a particular well-known, popular string set on one of my basses, because another player whose sound I admire uses this set on his bass. On my bass, it was, bar none, the worst set of strings I have ever put on this bass. They felt great, and playing the bass acoustically I was very optimistic, but once I plugged it in... yikes! Such a lack of mids! Such lack of sonic presence in general! A very weak, low-energy sound. Bleh!

But it's a very popular stringset. Nickel-plated steels. Other NPS sets sound substantially better to me.

So indeed -- they are not all the same, even if specs superficially suggest they ought to be.
 
I would be interested to hear what conclusions you draw from this. Please enlighten us!

It varies.

Not everyone MAKES their own strings. A lot of them are contracted out and labeled for this or that customer, more than a few names you'd recognize. Who makes what for who is generally a guarded Gentleman's Aggreement rarely spoken of in public for obvious reasons, if not an out-and-out required anonymity by contract. And of course, the string makers will welcome this additional revenue of these 'private label' arrangements.

This can be a good thing, inasmuch as some of these sellers will shell out for the builders to make them a very consistent product long-term which gains a good reputation. Lots of accessories for the majors are subbed out, you don't really think Fender makes its own polish or picks or cowhide guitar straps, obviously. It's part of a big brand's portfolio, and strings are often included in this.

I'm sure our friend John Moody from GHS strings would tell you that consistency is the biggest target, both in consistently getting the correct alloys from their suppliers and consistency in their manufacturing process. GHS is the most consistent string I can think of, and I've been using them now for 40-odd years, to the point I joke they made 10 million sets of Boomers in the early 70's which they've been selling off since then, they always sound the same. That's VERY hard to do, and amazing at their competitive price points.

In other cases, this or that brand name will let contracts every so often when they need to re-stock on a low-cost-wins basis, and this is often why certain brands seem to be inconsistent, as this constant rotation of makers can result in just that. Try as you might, Good Luck in exactly matching something you had made in Europe last year and something you're making now in VietNam. Different plants, close as you can get on the matching alloy wire, you're simply going to have to allow for a little more 'give' in your QC. You hear this.

This is common in virtually every product. Automobiles are built from an aggregate of 1000's of suppliers, each a specialist in a given part, and this is repeated in many businesses of all types. The days of vertical integration when Ford made everything on their cars save for the Firestone tires (built by their in-laws!) are ancient history.

Whether they suit you or not, this may very well be why GHS Bassics, a great inexpensive string for example, for a dollar more than the Warwicks may sound and feel as if there's a greater difference in price.
 
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I recently tried a particular well-known, popular string set on one of my basses, because another player whose sound I admire uses this set on his bass. On my bass, it was, bar none, the worst set of strings I have ever put on this bass. They felt great, and playing the bass acoustically I was very optimistic, but once I plugged it in... yikes! Such a lack of mids! Such lack of sonic presence in general! A very weak, low-energy sound. Bleh!

But it's a very popular stringset. Nickel-plated steels. Other NPS sets sound substantially better to me.

So indeed -- they are not all the same, even if specs superficially suggest they ought to be.
Let me guess, GHS boomers? I had a bad experience with them and I was sad because of how well recommended they are and all the big names who use or have used them. Feel free to pm me if you don't want to say publicly. But for the record I've tried others from ghs and I know they aren't all bad. They make my Kem Smith Rockmasters and I really like those. :thumbsup:
 
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Let me guess, GHS boomers? I had a bad experience with them and I was sad because of how well recommended they are and all the big names who use or have used them. Feel free to pm me if you don't want to say publicly. But for the record I've tried others from ghs and I know they aren't all bad. They make my Kem Smith Rockmasters and I really like those. :thumbsup:

No, it was not GHS Boomers. I'll send you a message.
 
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From what I understand, DM closed down their factory a while back.

La Bella, SIT, Stringjoy and Fodera also wind their own strings. And I'm sure a few European companies, such as T-I, etc.

EDIT: I almost forgot to mention Ernie Ball.

I'm not trying to argue, but I'm very surprised if small operations like SIT and Fodera actually make their own strings. Do you have 1st hand knowledge of this? LaBella and TI I'm not surprised by at all, they've been around for a long time.
Dean Markley did close their Santa Clara factory, but everything just moved out of state - to Michigan I think.
 
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There are only a handful of string winding machines in the world. Everything comes from them.
Use this to information as you see fit

I spend around $14 for my favorite roundworm strings, but they ain’t cheap.

The EB extra slinkies and the equivalently sized S.I.T nickle strings are eerily identical… and the S.I.T. Strings are $1 cheaper…
 

Just so people know, those are coated strings.

If you only need regular 4-string nickel sets 40-100 hexagonal core, these from the same seller are a great deal at $13/ set or less if buying multiples - Gallistrings Rockstar Rsb43 Electric Bass Strings Nickel Wound, NEW | eBay

They’re 31 euro on manufacturer’s site, which is about $35 USD, and the price of commodities will not likely be coming down so we should expect the cost of strings to skyrocket.
 
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I'm not trying to argue, but I'm very surprised if small operations like SIT and Fodera actually make their own strings. Do you have 1st hand knowledge of this? LaBella and TI I'm not surprised by at all, they've been around for a long time.
Dean Markley did close their Santa Clara factory, but everything just moved out of state - to Michigan I think.
Yes, SIT does make their own strings. They make them for other people, too. Like D'addario - who makes strings for more people than you can shake a stick at, - SIT is one of the companies that makes/has made strings for Rickenbacker. Companies that make strings for other companies do not just put their own line of strings in somebody else's packages, though. They make strings for a particular customer, to that customer's specifications. Which, for example, is why Fender 9050 Flats don't sound or feel quite like D'Addario Chromes - even though D'Addario makes them...:cool:
 
…..GHS is the most consistent string I can think of, and I've been using them now for 40-odd years…..

I will definitely second this, GHS is the most consistent string manufacturer that I have experience with. IMHO and IME GHS’ consistency is amazing. I’ve been using Brite Flats since 1979, Bass Boomers since the early 90’s, and Pressurewounds for about the last 4 or 5 years.


I haven’t tried GHS Bassics but I’ll go out on a limb and say they’re also excellent strings.
 
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Yes, SIT does make their own strings. They make them for other people, too. Like D'addario - who makes strings for more people than you can shake a stick at, - SIT is one of the companies that makes/has made strings for Rickenbacker. Companies that make strings for other companies do not just put their own line of strings in somebody else's packages, though. They make strings for a particular customer, to that customer's specifications. Which, for example, is why Fender 9050 Flats don't sound or feel quite like D'Addario Chromes - even though D'Addario makes them...:cool:

Though we have already shown the idea that all strings are pretty much made by the same few companies on the same machines is not true, what you point out is exactly why it doesn't matter one way or the other. You can design and engineer a unique set of strings with material design and properties for a specific response. It may not even matter who winds the string, where it is done or what machine it is done on. As long as the winding is done "to specification" the design is what will matter to the user.
 
Though we have already shown the idea that all strings are pretty much made by the same few companies on the same machines is not true, what you point out is exactly why it doesn't matter one way or the other. You can design and engineer a unique set of strings with material design and properties for a specific response. It may not even matter who winds the string, where it is done or what machine it is done on. As long as the winding is done "to specification" the design is what will matter to the user.
Exactly so, but... sometimes it's nice to know who makes what - and not always just 'cause you want to know. When I bought my '13 Gibson Thunderbird, it came with Gibson round wounds. Now, generally I really don't like rounds (learned to play in '68 on a Rick with factory flats, and have been playing flats ever since), but I really liked those. But, when I wanted another set? Sorry; no Gibson strings no mo'... Expert opinion was that GHS hex core Bass Boomers would do the trick... and they did. Still, there's a little niggling voice in my head, saying "maybe those Gibson strings came from GHS...?" No, it doesn't really matter, but... it would be nice to know. And, now that I can buy Gibson bass strings again - who makes them? Gibson, or...?
 
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I will definitely second this, GHS is the most consistent string manufacturer that I have experience with. IMHO and IME GHS’ consistency is amazing. I’ve been using Brite Flats since 1979, Bass Boomers since the early 90’s, and Pressurewounds for about the last 4 or 5 years.


I haven’t tried GHS Bassics but I’ll go out on a limb and say they’re also excellent strings.

AUP, I'd say (in a good way) they're 'almost' Boomers to me in tone and feel. Not quite the same by a little, but to me they're really good considering the savings.
 
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AUP, I'd say (in a good way) they're 'almost' Boomers to me in tone and feel. Not quite the same by a little, but to me they're really good considering the savings.

Are you talking about the Bassics?

They're different from the Boomers in the sense only the final wrap is NPS with all stainless steel inner layers. The Bassics have a nice crisp top end without being overly zingy and don't have the grit and grind of the Boomers. Due to the slightly smaller core diameter, they're not quite as stiff as the Boomers, either.
 
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Exactly so, but... sometimes it's nice to know who make what - and not always just 'cause you want to know. When I bought my '13 Gibson Thunderbird, it came with Gibson round wounds. Now, generally I really don't like rounds (learned to play in '68 on a Rick with factory flats, and have been playing flats ever since), but I really liked those. But, when I wanted another set? Sorry; no Gibson strings no mo'... Expert opinion was that GHS hex core Bass Boomers would do the trick... and they did. Still, there's a little niggling voice in my head, saying "maybe those Gibson strings came from GHS...?" No, it doesn't really matter, but... it would be nice to know. And, now that I can buy Gibson bass strings again - who makes them? Gibson, or...?

I totally understand. I’m a long haul Trucker, and I’m constantly asking the Shipper/Manufacturer questions about their products. That’s just how I’m wired.


I did a tour of Alembic’s shop in the late 90’s. I was given a free set of Alembic strings at the end of the tour, and shortly after that, I restrung my Europa with them.

I was very impressed with their tone and surface feel. I called Alembic and I asked Mica who made their strings. She told me that she couldn’t disclose which company manufactured their strings, but that they were made to their specs.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen them being sold locally, but I remember they were excellent strings. I did see them being sold online somewhere, but they were pretty expensive.

So, in short, I’m curious about which company manufactures certain brands of private label strings that I’ve tried and liked.
 
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Where’d you see them priced cheaply?

I like ‘em a lot. Typically seen them for $40+ per pack.

Dunlop Super Brights get a lot of love around here are are priced on the inexpensive side. They’re a steal when on sale. Great strings. Up there with DR.
+1 on the Super Brights. There’s also SIT that has a great line of modestly priced, long lasting bass strings of all kinds. I’ve used there stings on my acoustic guitar for years and just started using their bass strings a couple years ago. Don’t know what took me so long to try them, but I like them.