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Installing a Jaguar mute on a P-Bass

Have you considered cutting small slots into the foam for the string to sit into?
Methinks that could help alleviate the "sharpening" of the string while still damping.
i wonder about that.

the foam quickly created its own deep grooves, and with the low E it was already riding that edge between being slightly sharp and not muting enough to be worth the effort

maybe different foam that's i dunno, taller and softer would do the trick, but on balance i'm not sure i'd recommend this mod unless you didn't mind flipping the mute and then retuning all the strings
 
There was another thread here about the Fender Sean Hurley Signature P and how it has a flip on/flip off mute from a Jaguar guitar installed on it.

I've been wanting to put a mute on my P/J for a while and I love the idea of being able to flip it on and off. I've looked into the BassMute (www.bassmute.com) but they don't seem to ever have any in stock (and they are pretty expensive) so I'm looking for alternates. I would be super down with having a Fender branded mute on my P.

Anyway - I found that I can order the parts online but I wanted to see if anyone has any experience installing one of these on a P bass. It's designed for a Jag bridge - how well does it fit? What are the parts I need? When it flips up/on, what keeps the mute engaged? How much space does there need to be between the bridge and the bridge pickup? Does anyone have close-up shots of this installed?
the bass mute; i have one, great device w/ one major problem; it mutes sideways which means side pressure and takes your bass slightly out of tune.
 
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Yes, thread revival. I have had this thread in my watched threads for years, until I could get a project bass. I got one after Christmas and thought about it long and hard to see what mods I wanted to make. The complete list of mods is here: Squier VM Tele Bass Mods (Including Added Mute) | TalkBass.com . I used this thread to get the depth of the hole correct with the newer, stiffer spring: Squier VM Tele Bass Mods (Including Added Mute) | TalkBass.com . Yes, the plunger requires a 1/2 inch diameter hole, and 36 mm, or about 1 13/32 inches. This is critical, as the Tele Bass body is 1 1/2 inches thick, so one slip and you drill through the body.

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I have had this thread in my watched threads for years, until I could get a project bass.
nice!

a "duncan designed" guitar pickup i see; have you tried in in parallel vs series to see how that works for bass?

as for the mute, i could see where typically stiffer flats might be less pushed sharp by the mute; (looks like you need to set the witness point on that E string though, it's curving up off the saddle :))
 
nice!

A "duncan designed" guitar pickup i see; have you tried in in parallel vs series to see how that works for bass? As for the mute, I could see where typically stiffer flats might be less pushed sharp by the mute. (looks like you need to set the witness point on that E string though, it's curving up off the saddle :))
Walter, yes, I set the witness point a little better after I took the pictures. Yes, it is a rails guitar pickup, because as set forth in the entire mods thread, : Squier VM Tele Bass Mods (Including Added Mute) | TalkBass.com , I couldn't get an end-to-end or split-coil '51 style pickup in the narrowed string spacing, and physically a vintage spec '51 pickup is larger than the pickup rout, and I don't play single coils on stage. I just don't. I advocate using rails type Strat humbuckers to upgrade MusicMaster and Bronco pickups, and I put my money where my mouth is. I watch Strat players give sound men fits; I will be as quiet as possible. I have tried parallel wiring on other basses and guitars numerous times over the last four and a half decades, and no, I don't like the tone. The baritone switch setting does that very well for this bass. Thanks for your reply!
 
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Just ordered mine from Darrin Riley... there absolutely zilch on YouTube about these mutes... how to install or anything other than the Sean Hurley videos. I may do a YT vid and if all goes well, I’ll even post it, lol!! It may actually get more views if I end up destroying my bass though...

Hey there @electricGstring . This thread was my inspiration to install a jag mute myself (With help) a couple years ago. I took pics and did a step by step. There is another thread about this somewhere but I don’t think I’ve linked to my page in this thread. If it helps, here it is. Installing a Jaguar Mute on a P-Bass
 
Hey there @electricGstring . This thread was my inspiration to install a jag mute myself (With help) a couple years ago. I took pics and did a step by step. There is another thread about this somewhere but I don’t think I’ve linked to my page in this thread. If it helps, here it is. Installing a Jaguar Mute on a P-Bass
That’s funny!! I did a search for the Jaguar mute this weekend and wound up bookmarking this EXACT page to reference when my stuff gets here. I even ordered it from Darrin because of your page! Thanks a million for posting it because I don’t know that I’d have the guts to try to install one without having seen how you did it.
 
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That’s funny!! I did a search for the Jaguar mute this weekend and wound up bookmarking this EXACT page to reference when my stuff gets here. I even ordered it from Darrin because of your page! Thanks a million for posting it because I don’t know that I’d have the guts to try to install one without having seen how you did it.

awesome. I learn so much from so many how-tos on the internet, bass related or otherwise, I wanted to pay the gods back a little. we live in an amazing age....
 
Intonation issues for sure.
I've tried every mute system there is. The Nordy mutes too much IMO, makes the tone completely dead and useless. Anything under the strings causes intonation problems. The "bass mute" by elio martinez uses side pressure and in position 2 and 3 sharpens your notes due to side pressure, but I use it on my fretless ibanez srh500 in position 1 for upright tone and it works. The only mute that sounds correct to me, and does not cause intonation problems, is the original fender bridge ashtray cover with the mute adhered to the underside so it rests on top of the strings. It mutes slightly ala jamerson/kaye and you can still hear the note. Carole Kaye used to tape her mute on top of the strings. It's physics.
 
I've tried every mute system there is. The Nordy mutes too much IMO, makes the tone completely dead and useless. Anything under the strings causes intonation problems. The "bass mute" by elio martinez uses side pressure and in position 2 and 3 sharpens your notes due to side pressure, but I use it on my fretless ibanez srh500 in position 1 for upright tone and it works. The only mute that sounds correct to me, and does not cause intonation problems, is the original fender bridge ashtray cover with the mute adhered to the underside so it rests on top of the strings. It mutes slightly ala jamerson/kaye and you can still hear the note. Carole Kaye used to tape her mute on top of the strings. It's physics.


That’s interesting. I have a pair of the Bass Mutes which I haven’t had a chance to install yet but on my AVRI ‘62 P bass I have foam pressed onto the strings underneath the ashtray bridge cover. I spent a few minutes angling the foam to my liking, so that the E was more muted and the G was barely muted. It works well and is only an offcut piece of foam. No tuning problems with that. I have a similar set-up on my Stingray Classic, except there the individual foam mutes are height adjustable and press up from underneath the strings.

I’m considering trying out the old Fender Jazz bass mute system on a project bass - although the foam under the ashtray trick might just work better!
 
Why couldn’t a person come up with a bass mute similar to the jaguar one without all the drilling? Double stick tape to the body and have the same “raising and lowering” as this does apparently. And a spring to raise and lower it like a button or ball point pen. And use felt like was on the original ashtray of the Fender basses in the past???
Tag - you're it! We look forward to a working copy of your solution. ;)
 
Why couldn’t a person come up with a bass mute similar to the jaguar one without all the drilling? Double stick tape to the body and have the same “raising and lowering” as this does apparently. And a spring to raise and lower it like a button or ball point pen.
The hole hosts the pinpoint and spring. Where do you put them otherwise? THe spring pushes the muts away from the body. Screws hold it into place.
There are muting systems that don't require drilling., such as Ellio Martina's BassMute. The Fender system is antique, inexpensive and readily available, at the cost of drilling.
 
There was another thread here about the Fender Sean Hurley Signature P and how it has a flip on/flip off mute from a Jaguar guitar installed on it.

I've been wanting to put a mute on my P/J for a while and I love the idea of being able to flip it on and off. I've looked into the BassMute (www.bassmute.com) but they don't seem to ever have any in stock (and they are pretty expensive) so I'm looking for alternates. I would be super down with having a Fender branded mute on my P.

Anyway - I found that I can order the parts online but I wanted to see if anyone has any experience installing one of these on a P bass. It's designed for a Jag bridge - how well does it fit? What are the parts I need? When it flips up/on, what keeps the mute engaged? How much space does there need to be between the bridge and the bridge pickup? Does anyone have close-up shots of this installed?
the best mute, and the only one that will not make your bass notes sharp, is the old ashtray cover that sits over the bridge, and the mute (window door seal) presses down on the strings at the bridge saddles. The jag mute and "the bass mute" will make your notes sharp. Soft foam underneath won't , but a hard foam will, and the nano mute sucks all the tone out of the strings IMO.
 
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As this thread is about doing the install on Ps, I thought I'd add that it does work on Js as well with 60's bridge pickup position (I think 70's would be too narrow as it just fits with 60's and even then I had to file away a bit of the 'ear' in order to clear the pickup in both positions - but still a simple install and just barely clears the stock bridge plate and pup). I have it strung BEAD and find the amount of muting very usable. Really pleased with it.

Adding painters tape over the drill area - and first running the drill backwards - made for a clean hole. The greater effort is the fiddliness of the set up. I took a couple coils off the spring and that helped a lot.

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As this thread is about doing the install on Ps, I thought I'd add that it does work on Js as well with 60's bridge pickup position (I think 70's would be too narrow as it just fits with 60's and even then I had to file away a bit of the 'ear' in order to clear the pickup in both positions - but still a simple install and just barely clears the stock bridge plate and pup). I have it strung BEAD and find the amount of muting very usable. Really pleased with it.

Adding painters tape over the drill area - and first running the drill backwards - made for a clean hole. The greater effort is the fiddliness of the set up. I took a couple coils off the spring and that helped a lot.

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Nice work
 
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