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Insufferable Band Member(s)

22 piece swing band
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Chairs, stands, lights, drum kit, keys, amps,

I could understand a few of the older guys not really getting too involved, but most of the trumpet players would pack up their trumpets and just leave. A constant bone of contention. Whatsyougonnado!
 
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I love the diversity of viewpoints on these threads, and I’d love to learn about the strategies (or coping mechanisms?) for dealing with difficult band members. Do you ever choose to stay in a band with a member that you just find insufferable?
no way, never. As bass players, we're at the top of the food chain, so to speak- everyone needs a bass player and there aren't as many of us. You have absolutely no reason to deal with insufferable co-workers, unless the money is completely insane. Just find different gigs.
 
I stayed 20 years with a band that had a very insufferable BL, but he played great, paid better than most, and always had a lot of quality work. I coped by avoiding him as much as possible, focusing on the great and nice other people I got to work with, and quitting twice before finally getting put out of my misery 3 years ago. I miss the nice catered dinners at the arenas and theaters, I miss getting to play with quite a few of my childhood favorite acts, but ultimately, life is too short and the travel is too long, and when you do the math and count travel time and extra expenses into it, it's so not worth it. And I'll never do anything like it again.
 
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22 piece swing band
Load in and load outs
Chairs, stands, lights, drum kit, keys, amps,

I could understand a few of the older guys not really getting too involved, but most of the trumpet players would pack up their trumpets and just leave. A constant bone of contention. Whatsyougonnado!
Get used to it.
 
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I've been lucky. Usually one member of a band was a challenge, but the level of the other players (personality and musically) always more than made up for it. We would deal with it together. The worst one was a diva/wife of the BL who made a habit of showing up on stage once per year at the highest profile gig, demanded only songs that we had bailed on for the rest of the year due to boredom and then would actively throw the band under the bus while on stage about us "not really being ready for her". Luckily, that bus toss happened at the end of the situation by circumstance. The crowd reaction to her comment was telling...they looked pretty uncomfortable and remained silent.
 
Most of the acts I play with are either acts that travel (aka tour) together or are aiming at that. If someone is a dillhole, then they are a bad hang. A bad hang is a royal PITA to be on the road with. That will get you fired just as fast as playing like crap IME. No one wants to be stuck in a van/bus/donkey cart with an A hole.
 
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I had two bands with real jerks. In the first band, the drummer was just a contrarian ass ****. I put up with him for a while because he was a good drummer and provided the PA, but as COVID hit I was looking for a replacement. It got to the point where if I said firetrucks were red, he'd argue that you couldn't really call them red because the tires were black. The second was a guitar player that wouldn't shut up about politics no matter how many times I asked him to save the political talk for the end of rehearsal. I put up with it because he was an amazing guitarist, the band was really good, we got along about everything else, and I liked the other two members. When I first got in the band we never talked about politics and it was great; unfortunately we all know what changed. Frankly, other than that I've been exceptionally lucky considering I've been playing for more than 50 years. I has some minor jerks along the way, a singer that had to be right about everything and if you pointed out he was wrong, he was real **** head about it, but most of the time I just ignored him.

The important thing to remember is, it's not the jerk's fault, it's YOUR fault for putting up with it. That really helped me get through some annoying situations.
 
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I was in a months-long sit down in a nice supper club in a good band. We had a blind piano player, very good, but over the course of the evening as the 'free drinks for the band' added up, he'd go from Dr. Jekyll to Mr. Hyde.

We all had the usual pity for a blind guy, but after a while, it wore on us enough the gloves came off. We'd been asking him to back off just a little on the Old Crow, but, you all know how well that usually works, and now enough . . . . was enough.

So . . . Tonight was the Night. About three sets in (and three sheets in the wind . . . ) he needed one of us to lead him to the Men's Room . . . . except we steered him to the Ladies Lounge. He emerged forthwith in a big hurry, what with the screams and flying purses.

He comes back to the stage, where we'd strategically applied electric tape to several keys here, and here, and down there, which of course he doesn't see, nor does he realize they're there until he's playing lots of clams he'd never ordinarily play.

The drummer, myself, and he car-pooled. His wife was ALWAYS in his face when he'd come home all tore up. So when we go to drop him off, there was a ditch in front of his house, with a little foot bridge crossing it. We pull up, help him out and get one hand on the railing, and jump back in the car. He always wanted to sneak in so as not to wake her. We'd lined him up to where his hand was on the railing, all right, but it was his right hand . . . on the left rail. He takes two steps, and whoops, he's in the ditch. At the same time we sat on the horn and burned rubber, hung a U-turn, and he's pulling himself out of the mud and here she comes down the front steps giving him up the country.

He slowed waaayyyyy down on his drinks after that, and it was never mentioned again.

I love it when a plan works out.
You must have been so proud doing all that to a blind man. :rollno: What a great addition to my ignore list.
 
Insufferable is pretty broad, but in my experience, it's just a matter of time that something will give if somebody/something is making me crazy. The last couple times I tried to ride out an undesirable situation or bandmember, my "attitude" got me ejected. I was literally one gig a way from walking on my own for one of them - they just made the decision for me.

So moving forward, if I find myself in that situation, I'll just start making exit plans by honoring my gig commitments and giving the band a chance to back fill me, hopefully in a professional manner. Just because some people/things are issues, doesn't mean I never want to work with any of them again.
 
...And I'll never do anything like it again.

I so hear this feeling.

Not a long term gig, just a hired gun show band for a car dealer convention. I stood next to a rotating Chrysler LeBaron playing the chorus hit to "Celebration" for 10 minutes at a stretch, as a dozen (retired) vegas show girls danced around it pointing and waving. We'd then get a 20 minute break while they changed over the little showroom for the next wave of buyers/dealers, and we'd do it again. For 10 hours. In a red white and blue sequined tuxedo (wish I got to keep that). Band leader was a total yutz barking orders at everybody all the time. For what? It's the same 8 bars on loop. It was musical hell, a total lesson in humble, but also hilariously fun (like, all the ladies did a deadly impression of the BL), and I left the 3 week run with near 5 digits in cash. No off hours and free meals/per diems? ChaCHING! Granted that's a small price to pay for a piece of my very soul, but it sure paid the bills. Never again.
 
22 piece swing band
Load in and load outs
Chairs, stands, lights, drum kit, keys, amps,

I could understand a few of the older guys not really getting too involved, but most of the trumpet players would pack up their trumpets and just leave. A constant bone of contention. Whatsyougonnado!
YaGonnaDockDaPay.

They do that because there are no consequences. Don't blame them if the BL lets them get away with it. BL needs to spell out the conditions of the gig and the repercussions of not adhering to those conditions.

It happens all the time on TB. Someone let's someone get away with something and then complains about it. Sorry, but we teach people how to treat us. There are some people that will walk all over you if you let them.
 
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I was in a group with a really eccentric dude for about six years. The band was musically excellent so it was worth doing. But this was about 12 years ago. A lot has changed in the political discourse since then and I'm not sure I could abide the conversations I know would be happening if I were still around that guy now.
 
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This sort of thing is always shocking to me, mainly because I work in business during the day where this sort of behavior would never be tolerated. Standards must be pretty low when the minimum is basically just to be able to play the instrument, to show up, and not be the worlds biggest jerk. The idea of not turning up for a rehearsal, or constantly being late, or talking about politics all the time is totally foreign to me. Maybe I would be very successful as a musician if I were a good bassist ;)
 
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You must have been so proud doing all that to a blind man. :rollno: What a great addition to my ignore list.

Understandable, but that's up to you and I respect that. I'd only say you had to be there and get treated the way we did (and it took a long time with us telling ourselves to take it easy, he's blind), and it's way too late after being in the Muzik Bidness for a long time to try for my Mother Theresa Merit Badge. Like a lot of things in life, after a while, in this case a very long while, Enough . . . . is Enough. BTW, we would have wrecked his life to fire him, that was never a thought to kick him to the curb.
 
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