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iOS Bass Players Thread #5, V, or cinco, take yer pick.

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Quick update to the hearing saga.

Just returned from the audiologist, where a more in-depth test was done. The results were, shall we say, less than good?

I have moderate to severe PERMANENT hearing damage in both ears, brought on by acoustic trauma.

Hearing aids were recommended and discussed. Rip is not a happy bassist.
 
Wow, bad news ... I hope you can find something that works well for you, in music as well as in general.

It's gonna be all about eliminating my amp once and for all, and using in-ears with the maximum noise reduction. And hearing aids the rest of the time.

It was also suggested to use something like a white noise machine to help mask the tinnitus symptoms. Some people use fans for the same purpose when they sleep.

So my bass amp is now gonna be fixed to my mic stand, wired to a pedalboard at my feet to handle my in-ear mix. Gotta rethink a few things to make it all work, and have a solid brick wall limiter as the last piece of the chain.

Jamup is about to be tested to its limits!!
 
It's gonna be all about eliminating my amp once and for all, and using in-ears with the maximum noise reduction. And hearing aids the rest of the time.

It was also suggested to use something like a white noise machine to help mask the tinnitus symptoms. Some people use fans for the same purpose when they sleep.

So my bass amp is now gonna be fixed to my mic stand, wired to a pedalboard at my feet to handle my in-ear mix. Gotta rethink a few things to make it all work, and have a solid brick wall limiter as the last piece of the chain.

Jamup is about to be tested to its limits!!

Glad to see you're getting the help you need my brother. And taking a new direction in your music.


- On a side note, is it time for Prieto to close the polls and announce our winners? -
 
It's gonna be all about eliminating my amp once and for all, and using in-ears with the maximum noise reduction. And hearing aids the rest of the time.

It was also suggested to use something like a white noise machine to help mask the tinnitus symptoms. Some people use fans for the same purpose when they sleep.

So my bass amp is now gonna be fixed to my mic stand, wired to a pedalboard at my feet to handle my in-ear mix. Gotta rethink a few things to make it all work, and have a solid brick wall limiter as the last piece of the chain.

Jamup is about to be tested to its limits!!

Have to say I'm sorry for all the trouble you are experiencing with your hearing. Nothing worse for a musician than to damage their hearing.

When I hear stories like yours it just makes me angry that people don't understand that playing music at such loud levels is not enjoyable... If it's too loud, you're not old, it's just too ****ing loud. I have quit more than 1 band and laid into other musicians when they played at painful levels. I wear hearing protection during the day because I use lots of power tools.. but when playing music I always felt it got in the way of properly hearing the music, which is why I was always adamant that m'fer's turned down if they were too loud. Just no reason for that crap... and if you allow it you will have trouble at some point.

Hopefully someone has watched the road you traveled recently and will learn from your experiences to keep this from happening to them... as for that a-hole of a drummer.. :spit:


I am looking forward to your new direction though, especially after the last few submissions to Soundcloud... diggin' it brother!
 
Hey guys, great thread, I've just picked up an ipad4 and want to use it mainly for practice and the occasional open mic night that I go to.

Software wise the Jamup sounds like the go, but the interface is proving an interesting one, especially as here in Australia the main stocked item is the irig and not much else.

The Line 6 looks to be my preffered unit at this stage, but both the Apogee Jam and irig HD also look pretty good. The irighd is in front of the Jam because of the direct lightning connector cable (as opposed to having to use the Apple adaptor) but no one has one here in OZ yet that I can try.

Has anyone here used the irighhd or had a chance to compare it to either the Line 6 or Apogee units?

Cheers.
 
Compared to the JAM, I would imagine it's probably the same as specs seem to be the same and both are digital. If I had an iOS device with the lightning connection the IrigHD is the one I would choose myself just for simplicity of not needing to purchase adaptors. No personal experience with the IrigHD but I have both the Irig and JAM... no contest between the two - JAM is noticeably better sounding.
 
It's gonna be all about eliminating my amp once and for all, and using in-ears with the maximum noise reduction. And hearing aids the rest of the time.

It was also suggested to use something like a white noise machine to help mask the tinnitus symptoms. Some people use fans for the same purpose when they sleep.

So my bass amp is now gonna be fixed to my mic stand, wired to a pedalboard at my feet to handle my in-ear mix. Gotta rethink a few things to make it all work, and have a solid brick wall limiter as the last piece of the chain.

Jamup is about to be tested to its limits!!

White noise, pink noise, music, all just a tad lower then the tinnitus. You do not want to mask it totally. Look up Tinnitus Retraining Therapy in google and you will know it all.
 
Compared to the JAM, I would imagine it's probably the same as specs seem to be the same and both are digital. If I had an iOS device with the lightning connection the IrigHD is the one I would choose myself just for simplicity of not needing to purchase adaptors. No personal experience with the IrigHD but I have both the Irig and JAM... no contest between the two - JAM is noticeably better sounding.

I would still go for the jam as the iRigHD is unknown, while the Jam is the benchmark.
 
Have to say I'm sorry for all the trouble you are experiencing with your hearing. Nothing worse for a musician than to damage their hearing.

When I hear stories like yours it just makes me angry that people don't understand that playing music at such loud levels is not enjoyable... If it's too loud, you're not old, it's just too ****ing loud. I have quit more than 1 band and laid into other musicians when they played at painful levels. I wear hearing protection during the day because I use lots of power tools.. but when playing music I always felt it got in the way of properly hearing the music, which is why I was always adamant that m'fer's turned down if they were too loud. Just no reason for that crap... and if you allow it you will have trouble at some point.

Hopefully someone has watched the road you traveled recently and will learn from your experiences to keep this from happening to them... as for that a-hole of a drummer.. :spit:


I am looking forward to your new direction though, especially after the last few submissions to Soundcloud... diggin' it brother!

Thanks, man. That's why I've been sharing. So many kids today (and older players, too) still think that "he who plays loudest, plays best", and don't realize the damage they're causing.

Because of one such *******, I now have to wear hearing aids. It has changed my outlook, for sure.

I had been wanting to go acoustic, but not for these reasons. I've been a huge Alice in Chains fan since their first album, and always dug "unplugged" albums for their rawness. If a song sounds good on a couple acoustics playing in your living room, then you have a good song, not just someone blazing a million notes per second.

So I've been heading in this direction since before this last band was even a thought, but I didn't really seriously peruse it. It's a sound I've had in my head for a long time, and the recent soundcloud clips are starting to show it. I've got some stuff written, just need to record it.

People, your hearing is more important than you realize. I'm sitting here, 4:45am, all alone in my living room. The ringing is deafening. I haven't found the magic frequency to mask it yet, and its driving me insane. Ringing ears is a sign that things are too loud. My timing never stops.

If your bandmates tell you you're too loud, you owe it to them to turn it down. Even if you don't care about your own hearing, nothing gives you the right to destroy someone else's.

"If its too loud, you're too old" is a ridiculous way to think. Nobody is immune to hearing damage, no matter how tough you think you are.

Trust me on this. No matter how cool you think you are, or how awesome you think your new PA might be, hurting your hearing by your own hand is just stupid. As musicians we focus (at least I do) on making sure we keep our hands safe from injury so we can keep playing, but very few take the time to think about their hearing, until its too late.

Turn it down. The music sounds better. And you won't hurt your ears and the ears of those around you.

Makes me wonder if anyone else that was at that gig is having problems, too.
 
White noise, pink noise, music, all just a tad lower then the tinnitus. You do not want to mask it totally. Look up Tinnitus Retraining Therapy in google and you will know it all.

Thanks, Guy. I'll look it up. I'm still very much in the learning stage. My appointment with the audiologist yesterday really opened my eyes (and ears) to a few things, one being that the damage is far worse than I thought.
 
When we rehearse I keep hearing "we can't hear your bass, turn it up" ... duh, how come? Maybe you could try turning down the guitars a bit? I know I'm loud enough. And, after rehearsals, sometimes they say "it was loud today", while rubbing their ears. Double duh.

I wear ear plugs, have done so bassically from day one since I really can't stand too loud noises. Apart from protecting the hearing I actually think it makes me a better player - it's easier to hear what's going on when the eardrums aren't touching in the middle of the head. :)
 
When we rehearse I keep hearing "we can't hear your bass, turn it up" ... duh, how come? Maybe you could try turning down the guitars a bit? And, after rehearsals, sometimes they say "it was loud today", while rubbing their ears. Double duh.

I wear ear plugs, have done so bassically from day one since I really can't stand too loud noises. Apart from protecting the hearing I actually think it makes me a better player since it's easier to hear what's going on when the eardrums aren't touching in the middle of the head. :)

I definitely enjoy music more when it's not cranked. My old drummer listened to everything on ten, not just the PA. When we were listening to songs at practice to decide if we wanted to play them, I always had to tell him to turn it down. He always kept the volume so high that everything sounded like a wall of distorted ****. He didn't get it, that after it hits a certain volume you really can't hear the music properly.
 
Yeah, I still have to use the earplugs when we listen to a CD at rehearsals, but I guess that's because the other guys' hearing is set for the higher levels.

We sometimes play a semi-acoustic or unplugged type set, drummer plays with brushes or a cajon, and that's the only time I can play without earplugs. I love it though, it's different when playing at low volume, you hear everything, there's dynamics and room for little musical details. I wish we'd have more reasons, e.g. gigs, to do that more often. It's a completely different thing compared to a rock gig, both are fun in their own way, but the unplugged music is more ... musical.
 
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