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iOS, iPhone, iPad and music 101

#481
Ok. I can do that. Found one on eBay, doesn't give left or right but they are red and black, any idea which is left?

So plugging into the input jack instead of the aux in wont harm my amp? I'm not sure if the signal from the ipad/apogee would be too hot for it.
 
#482
Kinda disappointed..... Tried my iPhone 4 with the Alesis IO Dock tonight. Nothing. Couldn't get Jamup or GB to work. In a huff, I got up, unbassed myself and hauled the practice amp out of the garage. Plugged in, powered on. Jammed.

Don't know what the deal is with iPhone. It's been working fine with iPad. Just got me to thinking.......is all this techno-geeking getting in the way of me playing my damn bass?
 
#484
Evil Undead said:
Ok. I can do that. Found one on eBay, doesn't give left or right but they are red and black, any idea which is left?

So plugging into the input jack instead of the aux in wont harm my amp? I'm not sure if the signal from the ipad/apogee would be too hot for it.
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I connect into the AUX input of my amp without problems, iRig, Apogee Jam or Focusrite iTrack.

Now, I have not used Amplitube for a very long time, but there is an option for feedback protection in the options menu. Sometimes this feedback protection have to be off when you try to connect to an amp. So check it out as well.

You will get a much better tone if you can connect right into the power section of your amp then by connecting it in front of the preamp. So, AUX or effect return will do better regarding tone.
 
#485
viking power said:
Kinda disappointed..... Tried my iPhone 4 with the Alesis IO Dock tonight. Nothing. Couldn't get Jamup or GB to work. In a huff, I got up, unbassed myself and hauled the practice amp out of the garage. Plugged in, powered on. Jammed.

Don't know what the deal is with iPhone. It's been working fine with iPad. Just got me to thinking.......is all this techno-geeking getting in the way of me playing my damn bass?
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The iPad support CCK, iPhone not. So in general an iPad can connect to more devices then iPhone. Apogee Jam is one of the devices which support both.
One thing is sure, Steve have the final word about this issue!! :)
 
#487
viking power said:
Kinda disappointed..... Tried my iPhone 4 with the Alesis IO Dock tonight. Nothing. Couldn't get Jamup or GB to work. In a huff, I got up, unbassed myself and hauled the practice amp out of the garage. Plugged in, powered on. Jammed.

Don't know what the deal is with iPhone. It's been working fine with iPad. Just got me to thinking.......is all this techno-geeking getting in the way of me playing my damn bass?
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I looked at that interface and it seems it is only designed to work with the iPad, not an iPhone.

That said, it's easy to let all this stuff get in the way of just playing the bass... best thing to do is exactly what you did... strap on, plug in and jam the way man ( and woman ) were meant to jam - LOUD AND THROUGH A LARGE SPEAKER

:bassist::bassist::bassist::bassist::bassist::bassist:
 
#488
Thanks for the info guys regarding using the iPhone with the IO dock.

Question regarding using bass amp as a speaker for the IO dock - What is the best scenario for this? What I'm asking is where should I plug in and what should my bass EQ'ing be? I have an Ampeg BA-112. Any help is appreciated. I plugged in to it when I first got the IO dock and it sounded WAY over-processed so I didn't try it again. All that being said, I would like to have some form of external audio for the dock when I wood shed. As it stands, when I use the dock I am locked into my headphones. Should I buy a set of speakers? Trying not to buy a PA system since my band-mate already has one that I can plug into when I'm at his house for band practice.

Hope that rambling paragraph is decipherable.

Thanks!:bassist:
 
#489
It really depends on the tone you are after. If you want the GK or the Redhead tone or any tone which you want to sound through your amp as close as possible as it sound through your headphone then you should go through the effect return or AUX in order to bypass the preamp on you BA112 which have its own color.

Btw, JimmyM will not be happy to hear that you bypass the BA112!! :D
 
#491
Duke21 said:
It really depends on the tone you are after. If you want the GK or the Redhead tone or any tone which you want to sound through your amp as close as possible as it sound through your headphone then you should go through the effect return or AUX in order to bypass the preamp on you BA112 which have its own color.

Btw, JimmyM will not be happy to hear that you bypass the BA112!! :D
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For me the purchase of the IO dock actually came about because I was having tone issues with my setup. I'm a fingerstyle player, but for metal and punk, I feel like the BA112 doesn't have enough high end or punchiness. Everything I do seems to sound "warm". With the IO dock, I'm capable of getting a pretty wide range of tones it seems.

In fairness to the BA112, I suspect that my Ibanez's single pickup might be limiting me as well.....
 
#492
Ok. Tried using a 1/8" to 1/4" cable to plug my ipad/iRig into the input on my amp - sounded ruddy horrible. Like the speaker was under water.

So I tried the aux input again - no sound at all.

Baffled. I'm thinking I might just go back to a multi effects pedal, but don't really wanna shell out for one.

Edit: wondering if this is a problem with iRig, maybe apogee jam would solve it. But reluctant to buy one if that won't do the trick.
 
#493
viking power said:
For me the purchase of the IO dock actually came about because I was having tone issues with my setup. I'm a fingerstyle player, but for metal and punk, I feel like the BA112 doesn't have enough high end or punchiness. Everything I do seems to sound "warm". With the IO dock, I'm capable of getting a pretty wide range of tones it seems.

In fairness to the BA112, I suspect that my Ibanez's single pickup might be limiting me as well.....
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There are then several solution with both running Jamup in front of the BA112 preamp or bypassing it. You could use the BDDI in front of the BA112 a classical combination for metal and funk. In addition there is the Metal zone stomp.
I would just bypass the preamp and create the tone in Jamup,

One thing is sure, single pup is not a limitation, regarding punchiness!! Nobody would say a P Bass or a Stingray lack punch.
 
#494
Duke21 said:
There are then several solution with both running Jamup in front of the BA112 preamp or bypassing it. You could use the BDDI in front of the BA112 a classical combination for metal and funk. In addition there is the Metal zone stomp.
I would just bypass the preamp and create the tone in Jamup,

One thing is sure, single pup is not a limitation, regarding punchiness!! Nobody would say a P Bass or a Stingray lack punch.
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Cool. Thanks for all the help! My aux in on the amp is RCA so I just need to get the proper cable/adapter and I'll be good to go! The first time I tried I was NOT bypassing the pre-amp. No wonder it sounded awful!

EDIT: Just realized I think I have the correct cable/adapter already!
 
#495
Evil Undead said:
Ok. Tried using a 1/8" to 1/4" cable to plug my ipad/iRig into the input on my amp - sounded ruddy horrible. Like the speaker was under water.
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Running an amp sim into the front of your amp won't sound great. You've got a simulated amp feeding into simulations of a bass cab and a mic. Then you're cabling that out of your iPad and over to your amp, which already has a bass preamp, a power stage, and a regular bass cab. That's like putting a mic on an SVT, then daisy chaining it into another SVT...

Still, it shouldn't sound THAT bad, if you've set everything accordingly.

First, play a regular mp3 of full-range music on your iPad, and run it straight out of the headphone jack, through your adapter cable and into the instrument input on your amp.

Now adjust the EQ on your amp, until the music sounds as normal as you can get it. Hopefully, the result won't be too far from running it into a home stereo or a good boombox. On most bass amps, that means turning off the "slap" or "contour" controls, rolling off some bass and treble a bit, and then pushing the mids.

When you've got it as good as it will go, then re-connect your iRig, and try using JamUp/Amplitube/Pocket GK/Whatever.

Because you've still got the simulated amp and cab in series with your real amp, it will likely sound a bit flabby on the low end, and there may be some extra hiss.

But sound like it's underwater? No way.

Assuming your amp has an effects return or an Aux jack, then the next step would be to send the iRig output into there. This should tighten up the sound some more, and hopefully give as much output with less hiss.
 
#496
Evil Undead said:
So I tried the aux input again - no sound at all.

Baffled. I'm thinking I might just go back to a multi effects pedal, but don't really wanna shell out for one.

Edit: wondering if this is a problem with iRig, maybe apogee jam would solve it. But reluctant to buy one if that won't do the trick.
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Apparently, the stereo output from Jamup has some sort of phase problem, so you get cancellation when you plug both channels into a mono input.

Still, you should have bad sound, not no output at all.

Either what you think is an input isn't at all, it's busted, or there's something wrong with your adapter cable.

First, make sure that your adapter cable has the right type of 1/8" plug at the iPad end. Some are tip/ring/ring/sleeve (for iphone headsets), some are tip/ring/sleeve for true stereo, and others are tip/sleeve, for mono.

Next, try playing regular music out of the iPad headphone jack again, to use as a test signal. Once you have that nailed, you can try experimenting with the iRig again.
 

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