Irreversible climate damage is imminent

[Schlyder]

492 Days until "Climate Chaos"

 

[DerHoggz]

But it hasn't been established. The planet hasn't warmed up in 16 years and no one who believes in uncontrolled warming can explain it. Every single climate model has been wrong. The IPCC predicted in 2009 that the Arctic ice would be gone by 2014 or 2015, but there is more ice than before.

How many times does the IPCC or do the climate models have to be wrong before some people question them? 1 more time? 20 more times?

It's amazing that people still use this argument when if you actually look at the data it demonstrates a higher temp over those years then predicted. The first years in that set were just massively warmer from =short term effects.

 

[duff beer]

It's funny that the scientists seem to be unphased by their apparent 16 years of wrongness and still overwhelmingly support their shared conclusions.

There are at least 31,000 scientist who disagree

Duff and unrep..
More arctic ice, but waaaaaay less Antarctic ice making a very substantial net loss with a shifting climate pattern causing the arctic seeming increase

Really:

"As the U.S. space agency NASA announced, the sea ice in the Antarctic has extended over an area of 19.47 million square meters at the end of September. That is the highest since measurements began in 1979."

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[nukes_da_bass]

And Zulu back at ya
Ngiyaqonda. Iphuzu lami ngingu thina abantu bezikhukhumeza futhi bacabange ukuthi uma singazi ezikhona ke lutho uyakwenza. Ukuphila kwaba ngaphambi kwethu. Live kuyoba emva kwethu.

You do realize you are responding to and quoting your own posts, GravDav?
This way lies madness.

 

[Unrepresented]

There are at least 31,000 scientist who disagree

The ones who count (i.e. the ones who actually study it) don't.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

There are at least 31,000 scientist who disagree

Really:

"As the U.S. space agency NASA announced, the sea ice in the Antarctic has extended over an area of 19.47 million square meters at the end of September. That is the highest since measurements began in 1979."

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How many of those scientists are actually environmental scientists who study it?

My (admittedly limited) understanding is that the sea ice levels fluctuate much more (with minimal direct impact on sea levels), but this large increase in sea ice is being attributed, at least in part, to the increasing melt speed of the glacier sheets on land. The ESA Cryosat data over the past few years appears to indicate overall volume losses.

 

[pacojas]

we should be discussing,...

CHEMTRAILS: fact or fiction?

 

[eyeballkid]

There are at least 31,000 scientist who disagree

Really:

"As the U.S. space agency NASA announced, the sea ice in the Antarctic has extended over an area of 19.47 million square meters at the end of September. That is the highest since measurements began in 1979."

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Weird...just two days ago I was listening to a story, and I believe it was in conjunction with nasa, where Antarctic ice is receding four times faster than they expected and was losing some astronomically high number like 800 billion cubic feet of ice every... crap... let me go find the article...

 

[eyeballkid]

This is a layperson article by one of the nasa scientists who was part of the announcement last week about the irreversible collapse of the western ice sheets. His findings, and therefore Nasa's contradict the thing above... whats the context of that? Lots of swells and recessions can happen different years within a overall declining trajectory.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...laciers-melting-global-warming-nasa?CMP=fb_gu

Btw... im sure there are plenty more scholarly articles out relating to this.

 

[Unrepresented]

This is a layperson article by one of the nasa scientists who was part of the announcement last week about the irreversible collapse of the western ice sheets. His findings, and therefore Nasa's contradict the thing above... whats the context of that? Lots of swells and recessions can happen different years within a overall declining trajectory.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...laciers-melting-global-warming-nasa?CMP=fb_gu

Btw... im sure there are plenty more scholarly articles out relating to this.

Read that as well.

We're victims of highly dubious, unscholarly sources.:|

 

[Gab124]

Okay, so we all live in caves or teepees, we walk everywhere, we die when we get a mild illness, music consists of banging on logs, skulls, or any object that will make a sound. It is bad to kill animals, so we survice on berries, leaves, and grass.
So were do we get clothes without damaging the fragile environment?
Can we at least stay in the area of reasonable?

Wow, how did you get all that from my statement . I think if we as a species could live even a little more conservative across the board it would make a VAST difference. Everyday I drive down the street around gigantic trucks that have no noticeable work look to them, I see couples living in houses made for 10, I see drive through paper and plastic by the mountain load, I see highway right away's mowed for no reason, indoor malls kept at 68 degrees, Wal Marts full of absolute junk bought at amazing rates etc etc on and on. We could easily live very comfortably with way less without eating grass or "always" walking to work. I never suggested going back to the stone age. There is no way to not leave a foot print, but how big does it have to be? Honestly.
Your statement is a superb example of why I think it is futile to believe a change could ever really happen.

 

[mellowinman]

There are at least 31,000 scientist who disagree

Really:

"As the U.S. space agency NASA announced, the sea ice in the Antarctic has extended over an area of 19.47 million square meters at the end of September. That is the highest since measurements began in 1979."

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You're joking. There are NOT 31,000 scientists who disagree.

 

[eyeballkid]

Well "scientist" is a very loose term nowadays.. or I'd bet 30,998 of them are on an oil company payroll. ;-)

 

[BawanaRik]

Wow, how did you get all that from my statement . I think if we as a species could live even a little more conservative across the board it would make a VAST difference. Everyday I drive down the street around gigantic trucks that have no noticeable work look to them, I see couples living in houses made for 10, I see drive through paper and plastic by the mountain load, I see highway right away's mowed for no reason, indoor malls kept at 68 degrees, Wal Marts full of absolute junk bought at amazing rates etc etc on and on. We could easily live very comfortably with way less without eating grass or "always" walking to work. I never suggested going back to the stone age. There is no way to not leave a foot print, but how big does it have to be? Honestly.
Your statement is a superb example of why I think it is futile to believe a change could ever really happen.

Polemics are so good at bringing people together.

You do have a reasonable point. Without being the least bit facetious reasonable points should be responded in kind. That would be a good first step to addressing this issue.

I have to wonder how anyone can justify driving a 6000 pound land yacht to work. Or driving an hour plus each way to a job. In said land yacht.

I think we could use half the oil we use now without impacting to any great extent on our living standards. It would definatley not be living in the stone age.

 

[Solarmist]

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[Gab124]

Polemics are so good at bringing people together.

You do have a reasonable point. Without being the least bit facetious reasonable points should be responded in kind. That would be a good first step to addressing this issue.

I have to wonder how anyone can justify driving a 6000 pound land yacht to work. Or driving an hour plus each way to a job. In said land yacht.

I think we could use half the oil we use now without impacting to any great extent on our living standards. It would definatley not be living in the stone age.

There are so many ways to use less and be just as comfortable. Many do it, many, many more do not. It is a strange world - we measure our success and status by our possessions and always have, not the most environmental habit. I, as of late, have become more accepting of the realization that mankind cannot control themselves and in the vast scheme of things we really don't matter anyway.

 

[1958Bassman]

I don't even think that that is up for debate.. Considering what we have done to the environment over the last 200 years .. between greenhouse gasses and deforestation.. I mean.. anything can be debated.. You can debate whether or not life begins at conception or whether or not we are alone in the universe too.. but the facts are pretty obvious.. at least to me..but hey..

Did you know that the "Little Ice Age" was ending about 200 years ago? The Thames froze over completely in 1815. Do you really think that the warming period from the late 1600s to the early 1800s had nothing to do with this warming trend from the 1800s to now?

 

[sissy kathy]

The earth's atmosphere is a closed system, so I would think humans are at least contributing something to climate change. If nothing else we may be accelerating a process that would have happened slowly by itself. Myself, I'm no scientist but since you can kill yourself by breathing next to your tailpipe, I would think that millions of cars running day after day combined with the destruction of areas that would help filter pollutants out would be bad.

The earth isn't even close to being a 'closed system.' It is constantly being bombarded by meteors, space dust and, mass coronal ejections, to say nothing of the constant radiation from the sun.

 

[ZenG]

Mass coronal ejections?........wow....who knew?........

 

[sissy kathy]

Mass coronal ejections?........wow....who knew?........

Yeah.. I think that's when the sun has an orgasm.