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is it just me ??? crowds have changed???

Maybe it's just me. But from my point of view it's seems like it's not just for our band but at most concerts I go to the crowds reaction and I guess participation in the show seems to have changed a lot over the last decade. In many ways our band is more successful now. We're on a small record label, our newer music and merch is selling better than ever. But the crowds interaction and energy at the shows just isn't the same.

Here's a video That was recently found on a flash drive from one of our shows from back around 2005
the crowd is singing along, they're moshing, got their hands up. Not saying that never happens anymore. We occasionally play shows with great crowds but it seems to be more and more rare. I get this feeling like people in general are becoming more and more disconnected from each other and the world around them. Even with packed shows I see a lot more people looking at cell phones or filming with cell phones at shows than I used to. People are buying merch but they aren't participating in the show like the old days.

The guys in our band were having a conversation recently and everyone agreed I seemed to have been bumbed out at a few recent shows. And they are right. I think the differences in the crowd is starting to get to me. It's one thing for people to be kind of disconnected during an acoustic show or something but during a high energy rock/metal show even if the attendance is great the level of interaction/participation from the crowd just isn't the same these days. Especially with younger folks. Seems like younger people are even more disconnected from the show. I kind of feel like if you're going to be like that why even bother paying to be there? Ive honestly Had more fun playing some out of town shows with 30 people that were really into it even if we only sold a handful of CDs than playing for hundreds of people looking at their cell phones. I remember reading a story about a year ago about how a popular pop singer wouldn't allow cell phones in her shows. Not saying I'd ever ask that but I'm starting to understand why. It kills the vibe. That interaction between the band and the crowd. I miss that
 
Lame is the new cool.





EDIT: Seriously tho, even kids 12, 14 years old are so subdued and afraid to stand out in the least bit.


I played an outdoor festival yesterday and at one point a kid about 12 got up and walked in front of the seated crowd waving his arms in some vaguely strange manner.


The kids that were with him gasped and the girls put their hands over their mouths and ran away from the area...............


End oldfart musings.
 
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I don't understand what people are doing with the pics and videos they shoot at shows. They are all garbage. Are they going back and looking at them? Snapchat I guess (which I'm pretty sure is the worst thing on earth.) Horrible. Makes me glad I don't gig any more. I don't miss it one bit.
Yeah I can understand maybe taking a picture but the cell phone footage always sucks
 
Its5not what they experience themselves anymore. It's what they can make everyone else THINK they experienced. They are buying your t-shirt so they can wear a t-shirt nobody else will probably wear that day. They are taking video of you show so they can POST a video of themselves appearing to have a great time.

Don't take it personally. It's happening to everyone pretty much. I have filled in with all kinds of acts and they all tell me merchant sales are going up. But so are selfies with anybody in the band they can find. One drummer from Nashville showed me several posts from various Facebook pages showing a person posting "Hanging with my friend Jared at his gig." pics and posts. He has no idea who they are. They don't care who he is. They just wanted to give the impression they were partying with the band.

Perception is reality. In fact it has all but replaced reality. And the struggle to actually BE cool has been replaced by the race to APPEAR cool when you're not really.
 
I get this feeling like people in general are becoming more and more disconnected from each other and the world around them.

You've nailed it!

People have more connections and can keep up to date with friends and family so much more these days but the reality is now so many people are posting so much information to each other that it is becoming social noise.

I used to be a very keen photographer and video editor when my kids were smaller. I'll always be glad of the good quality photos and edited videos i did with sound tracks but now i live behind the lens less and live in the moment more.
 
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It's normal and just gotta go with the flow.
I remember my dad lamenting that my generation was a bunch of numbskulls because we'd just stand there
and watch a band at a concert. Apparently in his day when you went to a concert you danced the whole night.

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Its5not what they experience themselves anymore. It's what they can make everyone else THINK they experienced. They are buying your t-shirt so they can wear a t-shirt nobody else will probably wear that day. They are taking video of you show so they can POST a video of themselves appearing to have a great time.

Don't take it personally. It's happening to everyone pretty much. I have filled in with all kinds of acts and they all tell me merchant sales are going up. But so are selfies with anybody in the band they can find. One drummer from Nashville showed me several posts from various Facebook pages showing a person posting "Hanging with my friend Jared at his gig." pics and posts. He has no idea who they are. They don't care who he is. They just wanted to give the impression they were partying with the band.

Perception is reality. In fact it has all but replaced reality. And the struggle to actually BE cool has been replaced by the race to APPEAR cool when you're not really.

Exactly. It doesn't matter if the video/photo quality is awful. It's about posting it so you can say you're there. And in my experience, it's not just "the kids" doing it. Their parents are just as bad.

I used to be in an original band that had a decent regional following back in the old days (well, the late 90s), and I'm glad social media didn't exist back then. I tend to be introverted, so posing for selfies every couple of seconds would have driven me crazy. I did always gladly pose for pics when asked, but since I was the bass player, it didn't happen that much :)

But yes, crowds have definitely changed.
 
Different generation and different times = different vibe. It is what is.

Absolutely! Welcome to the 21st Century! We have all been "media-ed to death". Facebook, Snapchat, Youtube videos, Pandora, iPods, satellite radio, music down loads...............on and on it goes!

Folks at clubs and music venues don't listen to the music or even watch the show, instead they hold their damn phones up in the air and record it and then send clips to their friends who didn't go while the show is continuing. Geeeezzzzzsssss!

I saw on CBS 60 Minutes that a gold fish now has a longer attention span than a human being. This is true!

Yeah, the crowds have changed!

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Now it's even less than it was in 2013.
 
Absolutely! Welcome to the 21st Century! We have all been "media-ed to death". Facebook, Snapchat, Youtube videos, Pandora, iPods, satellite radio, music down loads...............on and on it goes!

Folks at clubs and music venues don't listen to the music or even watch the show, instead they hold their damn phones up in the air and record it and then send clips to their friends who didn't go while the show is continuing. Geeeezzzzzsssss!

I saw on CBS 60 Minutes that a gold fish now has a longer attention span than a human being. This is true!

Yeah, the crowds have changed!

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Now it's even less than it was in 2013.

If you're a student of history you'll know these are all very common behavioral issues found in an empire experiencing early stages of decline.

In the Middle Ages there was a term "accidie" that was used to describe a form of spiritual sloth and mental paralysis that led to a complete loss of motivation, joy, and belief, and which in turn led to the total collapse of the person and ultimately the society they lived in if allowed to spread unchecked.

Modern manifestations of accidie can be found in phrases such as: "nobody cares," "nothing really matters," "I don't care - I'll be dead by then." and "We're all born to die anyway."

Accidie was once considered among the worst of all the deadly sins.

Looks like it's experiencing a revival.
 
Man... reading this thread has made me reminisce a bit about the early to mid '00s. Over the 90-100 gigs I did during that time, most people really didn't know how to react to my original bands music. Think Sigur Ros meets Tool, all instrumental. We always had people come up to us after the shows "dude you guys were awesome! Do you have a cd? Where else to you play? Wow your drummer is amazing. Is the guitar player single? Your bass is so sick sounding." Etc. Yet, when we played they'd just stand there. Our music wasn't super baked, it was fairly simple to follow along if you could at least feel the beat which was almost always in 4. But, we could at least tell that people were engaged and actually paying attention.

I don't go to "local" shows anymore. The last one I did go to was about 3 years ago and, beyond the band that was supposed to be a hot local act (they were terrible despite knowing half the band) most of the people were in fact had their phones up videoing and watching through their tiny little screen. Since then, I can only imagine how disconnected people are now at shows.

I have a huge amount of respect for you though OP. Still out there doin what you love. I manage to scratch that itch still at church though. Although, I don't do the leg kicks and head banging anymore. Don't wanna throw out my back. :D
 
The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.

-Socrates

This stuff isnt new. We have always been selling perception vs authenticity, we just didn't have the same tools and venues (high tech gadgets and social media) that these kids do today. You better believe that if I was 18 today I would be a social marketing engine, live feeding my awesome personal brand via every social outlet there is, meeting chicks via Tinder and leveraging every bit of this easily accessed tech to satisfy my wildly out of control testosterone.

Humanity didn't change, just the tools got better.
 
I can recall the first time something like this happened near me. A good friend of mine booked tickets & a bus to go see the Eagles in Bangkok.
While he was there he called me & held up his phone to let me hear the show, and it sounded horrific over a phone.

He wasn't alone & some other friends were there. Paul spent most of his time recording video on his phone while drinking too much.
The video he got from the show sounded equally horrific to what I heard when it was happening live.

He was elated though, so...
That was about a decade ago.
 
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