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Is punk dead?

#61
becker4567 said:
OK, here goes....Punk in the UK during the mid 70's was really a political/social statement. I won't get into it here, but it was an attitude that really needed to be brought forward, and our music was the perfect format. The fashions and hairstyles that came with it were, for better or for worse, all part of that. In America here, it seemed to lack the anger, but was good none the less. Today, alot of bands just want the look, and seem to forget that the music was angry music, and the lyrics were angry lyrics. Like 'a1bassguy' said, punk has evolved, and there is nothing wrong with that. A certain Mr. Lydon once said, "Then, I was an angry young man, now I'm an angry old man.....but I'm still angry!" As long as we keep that feeling, punk will never die!
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you do realize without the Ramones the sex pistols or the clash never would of been right? Just as the Sex pistols inspired Roger Miret(agnostic front, disasters), Cromags, Sick of it all which is a much harder and angrier version than its UK counterpart.
 
#62
If Propagandhi is still making albums, then punk lives.

I consider punk as more about bucking and fighting broken systems than a musical genre anyway. By this measure, RAtM are very punk, same with Bob Dylan even if their music isn't the same 3-chords over and over again.
 
#63
THand said:
A huge part of Punks original power was it's ability to scare the establishment.
"Normal" people were shocked and terrified by punk because punk represented a future where they were no longer in power.

In this post 911 world, those bands seem quaint at best.

Today there are real people to be scared of, and we've been introduced to real terror.

Whatever gets called punk rock today is just viewed as kids being kids. It is neutered, and not shocking or a threat to anyone or anything.

All IMHO, of course.
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Still, this place is hilarious. So many idiots who feel the need to voice their opinion on subjects that they have no relation to. Outstanding work, thanks internet!
 

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#64
I've only seen one band in the past 5 years that had an authentic vibe.. drove from Washington state to play for a crowd of one (me) .. brought me back decades as they wheeled in thier JCMs and KoolAided up thier sugar spikes.

Man I wanted to be a punk SOOOOO BAD.. I just didn't have enough time to take over the world and declare myself dictator (calling it anarchy).

T.
 
#65
Man, some of you you younger guys are getting really defensive about some of the comments that we geezers (56 y.o. in my case) are making. We're all in support of angry, young rock 'n rollers going out and gigging. Some of just happen to find it kind of retro that something from 30 years ago is having a resurgence.

For what it's worth I don't find punk "dead" but rather a revived rock 'n roll subculture that has its own fan base - kinda like rockabilly.

So just go out and play and have a good time. :bassist:

And please don't create endless lists of obscure neo-punk bands for us to glaze over either. :p
 
#66
I don't play the stuff except in my car CD player, BUT in '76, '77' 78 my #1 favorite band was the Ramones. Grew up in Queens and saw plenty of it at CBGB. So punk is buried deep in my DNA.

Here's a pop quiz -
Please raise your hand if you know the very first reference to "Punk Rock." Extra credit if you can name more than two bands that they were talking about.
 
#67
guitfiddle0409 said:
And please don't create endless lists of obscure neo-punk bands for us to glaze over either. :p
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I wouldn't call Propagandhi obscure (they've released 5 major-label albums during their 15-year life span) , but they aren't really on anyone's radar if you aren't looking for them.

Take a look at their website (www.propagandhi.com), more specifically their "Resources" page. They're more about supporting causes they believe in than any other band I've ever heard of. That kind of punk is my favorite :smug:
 
#68
LOL at old people telling young people, that punks dead just because they now lead sheltered lives.

Punk has never died, it has always gone underground which is where we want it to be any weekend you can drive a few hours and see an amazing punk show, not only are bands like Agent orange, reagan youth, MDC, subhumans, Social D, DI, Citizen fish, Agnostic front, UK subs, the business, cocksparrer, anti-nowhere leaque, circle jerks etc. still touring. but there are so many excellent newer bands out there like Against me, Crackrock steady crew(Choking victim, Leftover Crack, f-minus, star ****ing hipsters) Behind enemy lines, Street dogs, Dropkick murphys, The transplants....the list goes on and on.

Punk is not dead, you just dont know where to find it.

5StringBlues said:
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Old punk bands didnt say "hey,lets try to sound like this" , whereas you can tell some of the newer bands are certainly trying to sound like old punk.
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Seriously???? yea they did, the ramones liked MC5 the Stooges and the old 50's rock/pop songs and joey consistantly tried to have them sound like that. They've even gone on record saying they were trying to sound like that.
 
#72
sidd_laroy said:
i agree with 5stringblues about the "punk" bands that are around today and them being punk influenced.

i love the music, and bands like rancid, and the like, but i don't think "punk" is anywhere close to what it use to be when the ramones and the clash first came around.
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The Clash aren't punk. Never were. They were an extremely eclectic and political rock group, but not punk. Ask anybody who lived through punk. Great group, nonetheless :)
 
#76
The Sex Pistols were the first poseur punk band. They were put together by a record producer. Sid Vicious didn't even play bass on the record. They were an image. People who consider them to be "true to punk" don't know what they're talking about to begin with.
 
#77
mcapote said:
you do realize without the Ramones the sex pistols or the clash never would of been right? Just as the Sex pistols inspired Roger Miret(agnostic front, disasters), Cromags, Sick of it all which is a much harder and angrier version than its UK counterpart.
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Good point!! But you need to go a bit further back. Even The Ramones needed a starting point, and that was The MC5. It dosen't get much angrier than "kick out the jams, motherf****r!
 
#78
...without bothering to read 4 pages, here's my 2 cents:

Punk, as a subculture/genre/movement, was a cultural/social response to the economic/cultural/social conditions of the times.

Now, those times have changed. Therefore, the 'original' punk can be safely viewed as outdated, and, I suppose, 'dead', if you will.

Feel free to disregard me completely if you don't agree.
 
#79
R. Laevinus said:
...without bothering to read 4 pages, here's my 2 cents:

Punk, as a subculture/genre/movement, was a cultural/social response to the economic/cultural/social conditions of the times.

Now, those times have changed. Therefore, the 'original' punk can be safely viewed as outdated, and, I suppose, 'dead', if you will.

Feel free to disregard me completely if you don't agree.
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I agree....kinda...sorta....not really! Those particular times might have changed, but there are still alot of things to get angry about! Green Day's "American Idiot" is a good example of getting mad. The punk fashions now look quite silly, and the simple 3 chord layout is a bit boring to listen to, but what punk stood for is, and hopefully, always will be, very much alive.
 

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