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Is the Basses Section getting segregated?
- Thread starter Dr. Cheese
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I think Cheese raises a really good point. I personally liked it when we were more into open discussions and I have to agree with John Turner as well that the rise of the clubs has contributed to that change. More so, IMO, because of some of the fan-boy/ignorant attitudes (as already mentioned several times) found in the clubs. As annoying as those are, they really are in the minority here. I have cruised a lot of other forums and TB still stands heads and shoulders above the rest in this regard, maybe even taller than that. The credit for that goes to Paul and the mods for the excellent job they do working in a medium where objectivity can be difficult and where people feel more emboldened to force their opinions than would normally be done in the real world.
However the clubs are getting a little old IMO. But us humans sure like to belong to something (sometimes anything!) and this is a symptom of that longing. Like all things Internet, the club fad will eventually pass and the 99% of people here that post in a constructive manner will continue to do so and the many lurkers will continue to lurk. And I hope that TB will continue to maintain the high level of integrity it enjoys.
Enough rambling, I need sleep. Hopefully I made sense
However the clubs are getting a little old IMO. But us humans sure like to belong to something (sometimes anything!) and this is a symptom of that longing. Like all things Internet, the club fad will eventually pass and the 99% of people here that post in a constructive manner will continue to do so and the many lurkers will continue to lurk. And I hope that TB will continue to maintain the high level of integrity it enjoys.
Enough rambling, I need sleep. Hopefully I made sense
I always enjoy the seasoned wisdom of veterans like the Dr!
All of our opinions are of course forged by our experience from birth,(or possibly in utero), and I always require myself to muse that the planet's most gifted musician/composer may be in China, putting out that music that I always heard in SF Chinatown whenever I wandered the streets there as a child, totally unable to connect to it, finding it irritating and cacaphonic. A meaningless value judgement on my part. I grew up with Fats Domino, Chubby Checker, Peggy Lee, Ella Fitzgerald etc, (Dad's music), and of course in my teen years chose Beatles Stones Hendrix Clapton etc. Now the vast majority of we bass players, might I speculate, would say Victor Wooten is a huge talent. Look at who he plays with. A banjo player,and "Futureman" who has his own unique instrument.
No doubt there is a website where someone is saying Futureman and his instrument suck, and this guy has a better idea. Most of us are just looking for our sound. I will not argue my bass is better than your bass. Your bass is what is making it happen for you. For us GASSERS that can be a very transient feeling though. Hopefully that is spurring improvement and innovation. P.S. I,m just another hacker havin fun!
All of our opinions are of course forged by our experience from birth,(or possibly in utero), and I always require myself to muse that the planet's most gifted musician/composer may be in China, putting out that music that I always heard in SF Chinatown whenever I wandered the streets there as a child, totally unable to connect to it, finding it irritating and cacaphonic. A meaningless value judgement on my part. I grew up with Fats Domino, Chubby Checker, Peggy Lee, Ella Fitzgerald etc, (Dad's music), and of course in my teen years chose Beatles Stones Hendrix Clapton etc. Now the vast majority of we bass players, might I speculate, would say Victor Wooten is a huge talent. Look at who he plays with. A banjo player,and "Futureman" who has his own unique instrument.
No doubt there is a website where someone is saying Futureman and his instrument suck, and this guy has a better idea. Most of us are just looking for our sound. I will not argue my bass is better than your bass. Your bass is what is making it happen for you. For us GASSERS that can be a very transient feeling though. Hopefully that is spurring improvement and innovation. P.S. I,m just another hacker havin fun!
Yup. TB, at the very least, owes the gentleman a beer for all the wisdom he passes on to the members.
I agree with what you've said.
And to start this in motion, I hereby start the "No Club" Club!
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
and i can guarantee you that it will not. there are many threads with this kind of information shared - folks telling their negative experience with instruments are not that rare. do a search, i'm sure you'll find some.
the only discussion topic that is prohibited is posting about an instrument negatively that one does not own or have personal experience with.
if that's the kind of information you think should be shared - negative info about an instrument that the speaker doesn't even own - then talkbass is not the place to look. the internet is full of folks spouting off about stuff that they have no experience with, so you should probably not have that hard a time finding that info elsewhere if you want to.
.lol. yeah, right. you obviously haven't followed my own posting history very long.
frankly, i find that opinion of this site ignorant and offensive. the reason why we do not tolerate folks speaking negatively about instruments they do not own should be pretty obvious. we do not censor anyone sharing information or experience with instruments they own or have owned in the past.
- Ignore the flames.
- Treasure the friends.
- Ask yourself this question if you're tempted to chastise someone. "Will it really matter tomorrow?"
Or just realize that people are people. We form clubs. Sometimes we're good, sometimes were bad. Sometimes we put our foots in our mouths (I do alot).
When we're not following the rules we have JT and the other mods to remind us.
TB still rules compared to some of the other forums/sites. By far...
I've gotten so much good advice and information here there is no way I'm letting the other stuff get in the way of mining gold.
I do find the own thing a little strange. Surely the reason why certain people don't own a bass is equally useful. For example, if you spent some time in a store to assess a bass and fund that its neck uncomfortable to play or the ergonomics just didn't work standing up (or whatever) that would be a negative comment which would be valid even though you never owned the bass. I think in weeding out the unwanted side, you also take out some useful criticism as well.
I don't think my owning a bass of a certain brand makes me not want to play other basses of similar or differing styles. this club thing is beyond me..
But the "segregation" effect is real and observable..
Thats why he's Dr Cheese and not Mr Cheese...
But the "segregation" effect is real and observable..
Thats why he's Dr Cheese and not Mr Cheese...
I haven't been starting any new threads lately because, with the wealth of information that is already archived here, whatever question I ask is bound to be answered by "do a search, this has already been discussed." The people who say that don't always do it in a very nice way either.
In fact I do have one topic that I have some experience on and I've been thinking about talking about it, but every thread that has dealt with it before has been closed, so why bother. Some people can't find a happy medium. I'm not a fan of too much "political correctness," but respect should always be present in a discussion.
In fact I do have one topic that I have some experience on and I've been thinking about talking about it, but every thread that has dealt with it before has been closed, so why bother. Some people can't find a happy medium. I'm not a fan of too much "political correctness," but respect should always be present in a discussion.
I think this is what JT meant to say:
the only discussion topic that is prohibited is posting about an instrument negatively that one does not own or have personal experience with.
He actually said that in his post. I have to say the nit picking over semantics is also a little out of hand. Plus, why shouldn't a person have SOME experience with an instrument if they will post a negative comment about it? Then your comments should be limited to YOUR experience with that instrument, whether you owned it or only played one in a shop for 20 minutes.
Also, one can't contribute to a conversation with anything that may oppose something someone else posted. People seem to get really bent out of shape.
Finally, some folks show no respect on this forum. They don't read profiles, or get a sense of where a person is coming from when they post. I've seen folks ready to flame away at the first sign of any opposition to their post. It's pretty bad on TB in general, not just the basses section.
I agree with John Turner. The clubs are impacting this Dr. Cheese.
+1 to locking the current club threads and maybe creating a Knowledge Corner for posting questions and answers to fill the gap.
+1 to locking the current club threads and maybe creating a Knowledge Corner for posting questions and answers to fill the gap.
Because one clown hurts himself with lawn darts everybody has their lawn darts taken away. With this way of thinking, there will be no internet.
I don't think that'll help, the people who create the biggest problems have a general lack of respect. I've seen it happen on the DB side, where there are no clubs, too. Folks don't seem to understand the concept of discussion and everything breaks down to an argument if one person disagrees with another.
I think people need to get in to respecting each other. Different ideas and opinions is what makes the world so interesting. Plus we need to recognize that everyone has something to offer, whether you're a noob or a grizzled old pro.
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I completely respect that most of us won't have the time for every "club", and that's OK too. However, let the folks that do have the time and are interested do as they please where the clubs are concerned.
