is there anybody out there?!?

[HolmeBass]

thats funny u say that... i have been doing that! sometimes i think a riff sounds too low or just outta bordom ill play it higher just to see what comes out or just goofing around ill try to figure out the guitar riff on the bass cause just playing a bass line of a song alone can get pretty boring!! thats cool!! as far as sheet music, were i ever to learn it i think that from my view they would also be backwards so my stringing i would read it just fine, but i dont plan on reading any, ive been trying to play by ear and use tabs for reference to the song and usually just fill in the gaps or just play the parts i want and leave out the rest or mke up something idk,,, i play as a pasttime hobby

Playing by ear is extremely important. Music is a hearing art.

But I think you misunderstood what I said about playing a riff or line in a different place. I'm talking about *playing the exact same notes/riff* in a different place on the fingerboard, not transposing up or playing a different part. So it sounds the same but you're playing on different frets and strings.

 

[Sixgunn]

Posdibly, but that's one person's opinion, who probably has no or no scientific research to back such the claim "more likely". The trem "some ppl r more likely" might be a more accurate claim without any such exclusive evidence (just speaking of "writing skills".)

Many people here have echoed the sentiment. Not a scientific study but evidence, none the less

 

[web824]

Many people here have echoed the sentiment. Not a scientific study but evidence, none the less

Many people here have echoed the sentiment. Not a scientific study but evidence, none the less

Granted:...but "many" is not conclusive; nor does "many" measure up to the claim of being "most". It can also " possibly"be construed and/or "can" appear to only be an unnecessary pet peeve of "some" persons who tend to be "picky" with issues that little to do with the content of the OP.. ..peace.

 

[Sixgunn]

Granted:...but "many" is not conclusive; nor does "many" measure up to the claim of being "most". It can also " possibly"be construed and/or "can" appear to only be an unnecessary pet peeve of "some" persons who tend to be "picky" with issues that little to do with the content of the OP.. ..peace.

Conclusive to what? That people will read and take seriously something well written and easy to understand? I think that's self evident. The entire world has conventions related to this that have nothing to do with pet peeves. I'm sure it's also true in your case. By the way, you wrote and articulated your point very well. Why, if it doesn't matter?

 

[web824]

I'm choosing not to continue to around in circles forever on a mute point. Bottom line is that every member of this forum has the right to express their opinions in the best way they are capable of doing. Some persons who choose to make comments might not have the best writing skills or the best device with which to do it with. They shouldn't have tolerate being scorned, ridiculed, embarrassed, or intimated because of their writing inabilities. Persons with great writing skills could be more thoughtful, and compassionate, of those who may not be as fortunate. Focusing on the content is shows more kindness to all herein. I've played with many other musicians over 50 years. Many, of who, were not blessed with great communication skills. They , however, were great, wonderful people to know and talk with in spite of their shortcomings . Many were very knowledgeable, and I learned a lot (rather focusing on their speech capabilities ). All TB members should be allowed to say what's on their mind too. The pompous ones out their may not agree with any of this sentiment. I learned from my 32 years of teaching that it better to listen to what all of my students had to say rather than to criticize their sentence structures and manner of speech and thusly, cause them to become lose self confidence, and to not feel worth expressing themselves. Some other teachers didn't share this sentiment. I came to understand that many of my students (many of who were hispanic, asian, etc) were of other cultures, and did not understand the English manner of verbal and/or written expression. Yet, they felt that they had valid things to say. I go the route if kindness always. God bless. (Others members may continue to, insensitively, go after spelling and grammar issues because they feel that these things are more important.) ...they have that right.

 

[Sixgunn]

I'm choosing not to continue to around in circles forever on a mute point. Bottom line is that every member of this forum has the right to express their opinions the best way they are capable of doing. Some persons who choose to make comments might not have the best writing skills or the best device with which to do it with. They shouldn't have to be scorned, ridiculed, embarrassed, or intimated because of their writing inabilities. Persons with great writing skills could be more thoughtful, and compassionate, of those who may not be as fortunate. Focusing on the content is shows more kindness to all herein. I've played with many other musicians over 50 years. Many were not blessed with great communication skills. They , however, were great, wonderful people to know and talk with in spite of their shortcomings . Many were very knowledgeable, and I learned a lot (rather focusing on their speech capabilities ). They should be allowed to say what's on their mind too. The pompous one out their may not agree with any of this. I learned from my 32 years of teaching that it hood to listen to what my students had to say rather than to cause them not to feel worth expressing themselves. Some other teachers didn't share this sentiment. I came to understand that many of my students who were of other cultures, did not understand the English manner of expression. I go the route if kindness always. God bless..

I was very nice about it. It's actually "moot".

 

[Linnin]

Playing by ear is extremely important. Music is a hearing art.

^^^Agreed^^^ That is how I learned in 1970 and that is how I play today.

 

[Linnin]

Hey why not. Jeff Healey played with his guitar lying on his lap, with his fretting hand sitting over the top of the neck.

Born blind and super badass while he was playing!

 

[HolmeBass]

^^^Agreed^^^ That is how I learned in 1970 and that is how I play today.

But I don't think learning to read notation or learning theory interfere with playing by ear in anyway. They all reinforce each other, even using tab. But I think notation is better than tab for the reasons I menruined, and because tabs I find online are never right. They can get you started on a tune but never tell the whole story like a serious transcription will.

 

[Linnin]

Here's a couple of musical geniuses.

John Lee Hooker was illiterate. He Eventually learned how to print his name by copying it off of one of his album covers. Never stopped him from being a great musician and bluesman known forever as 'The Father of the Endless Boogie'.
Keith Richards wasn't schooled in music theory or notation when the Rolling Stones took off 50+ years ago. He did all right. Chuck Berry. Elvis. It goes on.
A formal education does far more to stymie creativity than to nurture it.

 

[web824]

I was very nice about it. It's actually "moot".

It's all good and cool. It's also just one person's opinion. You cant seem to help it...but you're correct (I was expecting you to search and to catch an error. ) I'm not infallible my friend. ..once again,...peace

 

[Marinda]

But I don't think learning to read notation or learning theory interfere with playing by ear in anyway. They all reinforce each other, even using tab. But I think notation is better than tab for the reasons I menruined, and because tabs I find online are never right. They can get you started on a tune but never tell the whole story like a serious transcription will.

tell me about it!! :/ i learned cemetery gates from tabs, the riff in the chorus after the first one goes like 222 555 777 on E then 3 on A then 012~~~~~on E but ive found its wayyy eaiser 222 E
000 222 3 on A
012----on E but trying to retrain my fingers to do that while trying to keep up with mike on guitar is not, cause i learned it the hard way...just an example of why i dont like them...so now i try to just use them for reference/starting point and just play it however... oh and for all the TECHNIQUE TECHNICAL freaks out there,, sometimes i....learn the guitar riffs too cause the bass line sucks in some songs!! OHH shhh muhahaha

 

[Marinda]

I'm choosing not to continue to around in circles forever on a mute point. Bottom line is that every member of this forum has the right to express their opinions in the best way they are capable of doing. Some persons who choose to make comments might not have the best writing skills or the best device with which to do it with. They shouldn't have tolerate being scorned, ridiculed, embarrassed, or intimated because of their writing inabilities. Persons with great writing skills could be more thoughtful, and compassionate, of those who may not be as fortunate. Focusing on the content is shows more kindness to all herein. I've played with many other musicians over 50 years. Many, of who, were not blessed with great communication skills. They , however, were great, wonderful people to know and talk with in spite of their shortcomings . Many were very knowledgeable, and I learned a lot (rather focusing on their speech capabilities ). All TB members should be allowed to say what's on their mind too. The pompous ones out their may not agree with any of this sentiment. I learned from my 32 years of teaching that it better to listen to what all of my students had to say rather than to criticize their sentence structures and manner of speech and thusly, cause them to become lose self confidence, and to not feel worth expressing themselves. Some other teachers didn't share this sentiment. I came to understand that many of my students (many of who were hispanic, asian, etc) were of other cultures, and did not understand the English manner of verbal and/or written expression. Yet, they felt that they had valid things to say. I go the route if kindness always. God bless. (Others members may continue to, insensitively, go after spelling and grammar issues because they feel that these things are more important.) ...they have that right.

aww that was so nice, i almost got something in my eyes!!! thats inspirational!! im using a wii u which has no spell grammar punctuation check, and trying to reply to all with 2 kids and life in general, i tend to write as fast as i can! sorry im not a loser in moms basement with nothing to do but sit on forums correcting grammar.. but at least he WAS nice and polite about it, ive seen worse and also been the loser talking poopie about others speech ect (to myself though! im not gonna go outta my way like ive seen others do) ppl like that have esteem issues!!

 

[Marinda]

Playing by ear is extremely important. Music is a hearing art.

But I think you misunderstood what I said about playing a riff or line in a different place. I'm talking about *playing the exact same notes/riff* in a different place on the fingerboard, not transposing up or playing a different part. So it sounds the same but you're playing on different frets and strings.

i think i get what you meant, i think your sayin is eg. cemetery gates i WAS playing riff E) 222 555 777 A) 3 E) 012--- but i think its easier to go E) 222 Á) 000 222 3 É) 012--- damn tabs! so is that what u mean? Same notes on diff frets/ strings. or do you mean same fingering just higher up on the neck?

either way ive been experimental with both, also when mike plays in his guitar room i stay in our room, and just try to play something that matches his endless song, which is bunch of songs faded into one after another, with some poopie he makes up inbetween.!! lol its like a box of chocolates....

 

[Marinda]

well im a righty, so i take a right hand and string it left, play it right!! (only cause left hand bass are hard to find and expensive) but if i had a left bass i would play it fine right hand! my bf thinks imcrazy!! but he also thinks it awesome and is flabbergasted that i can play it lol

Keith Horne is a super nice guy too. Here he is playing bass for Luke Bryan. Lefty bass strung righty. I'm a lefty but could never play it strung upside-down like that!

 

[Marinda]

hey for anyone still following this thread, or interested im going to make a video soon for you all to see, before i do this id like to remind everyone, im just a recreational player, NOT in a band, never going to be, just my hobby!! and im not very good, i dont play whole songs, sometimes i leave poopie out! im not looking for reviews, im just posting one cause the thread kinda blew up more than i expected!! i thought id get a few comments and that would be that! but after all the compliments, complaints, and just for the curious ones... i feel everyone has earned it!! again im self taught!! and still have a LONG way to go and a LOT to learn!!! so no haters!! idk when but soon ill make one of all the songs i know....remix compilation its bass so dont expect whole songs that would be long and boring! love, peace, & chicken grease!

 

[Marinda]

so anyone know of any RIGHT-HAND players with upside-down strings?? cause im looking for anyone who plays like i do... im suprised to see all the upside-downers!! but they r all leftys!! still cool watching them play is like a mirror to me. lol so as far as learning styles and how they do certain things it almost perfect! but im still trying to find anyone thats like me! thanks!

 

[HolmeBass]

i think i get what you meant, i think your sayin is eg. cemetery gates i WAS playing riff E) 222 555 777 A) 3 E) 012--- but i think its easier to go E) 222 Á) 000 222 3 É) 012--- damn tabs! so is that what u mean? Same notes on diff frets/ strings. or do you mean same fingering just higher up on the neck?

either way ive been experimental with both, also when mike plays in his guitar room i stay in our room, and just try to play something that matches his endless song, which is bunch of songs faded into one after another, with some poopie he makes up inbetween.!! lol its like a box of chocolates....

The former; same notes on diff frets/strings. Tab sort of robs you of that freedom until you decipher in terms of notes and "re-learn" it. Musical notes leave that freedom entirely intact. Not a reason to not use tabs, but I feel it is a good reason to work on standard notation. It's not that much more difficult in the long run.

 

[web824]

Here's a couple of musical geniuses.

John Lee Hooker was illiterate. He Eventually learned how to print his name by copying it off of one of his album covers. Never stopped him from being a great musician and bluesman known forever as 'The Father of the Endless Boogie'.
Keith Richards wasn't schooled in music theory or notation when the Rolling Stones took off 50+ years ago. He did all right. Chuck Berry. Elvis. It goes on.
A formal education does far more to stymie creativity than to nurture it.

I could agree with just about all you were saying untill you got to the final bias statement that "A formal education does more to stymie creativity than to nuture it". All of my 72yrs of being alive has seen the opposite. If that statement were to be true most music education programs would be senseless. There an endless list of great musicians who studied at Juliard, Berklee, etc., who were great legends because of their creativity, study, and talent. People who knock one form of musical training do a diservice advising possible upcoming musicians. Perhaps you never were musically educated and now are determined to "hate" on those who are, might desire to seek music education to "enhance" their creativity. ..it is possible. It might be more accurate to use the words "sometimes", "often", may, might, etc rather to indicate "your unsubstantiated opinion" as being an "absolute".

 

[Linnin]

"You Get Nothing With Your College Degree" ~ Frank Zappa