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Is this good? Boom Bass Cabinet

#142
Brad Johnson said:
Too late, Mike... I've been on TB for around twenty years now. This is nothing new.
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Apparently you don't understand my sense of humor. I know that. I should have said "welcome to the TB troll farm" in regards to dealing with the TB "experts"

Dave--I have no problem at all with comparisons based on direct experiences. That's how it should be---let the chips fall as they may. That's fair. That's what should be happening on TB. It's just the " show me the graphs" stuff that is not what TB is about. I don't know what Brad claims as far as specs. What I do know is that there are many cab manufacturers ( from top builders) that make absurd claims as far as specs that go unquestioned. There are a slew of manufacturers that claim response into the 30's where I know their cabs are down 20db at that point. If one guy is asked to back it up---then all should.
 
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#143
Cool... I was wondering if you had forgotten who I was :D. I've been dealing with the 'farm over a couple of products for years.

I just noticed that Drue changed the low frequency specs on all of the cabs since my departure. I have no idea what's up with that. The original specs were based on actual analysis by an engineer.
 
#144
Dave Hill said:
That's all great, but, some of us have used one. Comparatively, the tank did not have the full range, authoritative tone that some of the others did. Rather it was very middy, small sounding and just sounded like it was working hard while the others were coasting along. This was not a subtle nuance. It was the general consensus to everyone at the gtg. I loved the AK 1203 Hathor's that were there. Would have no problem owning those.

I've used a tank onstage as well, and while I had no problem being heard, the same characteristics were present. There was no noticeable difference in dispersion between the tank and any other more conventionally designed speakers. I'm not saying the tank is a total turd, but I think some other speakers, which happen to be the cream of the crop, sounded better. It's tough competition.

Why Brad feels the need to discount and "disprove" people's opinions, based on use and direct comparison, is beyond me. Well, not really. I have no loyalty or agenda.
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Your dispersion conclusion suggests some other issue.

As far as no loyalty or agenda... it speaks for itself. As far as the need to disprove someone else's opinion... seriously ?
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#147
I wasn't told anything.

So......I went out and tried a bunch of high dollar boutique cabs. Unfortunately the tank ended up on the bottom. Anybody can take this as they see fit. But I'd rank it as a mediocre cab at best and let's not forget words like best and better are very subjective around here.:D
 
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#152
I was just checking the website.I'm confused as far as a couple of things. Are you guys using the Faital 12pr300? I thought that was what Drue said. I'm a bit confused. It has a resonance of 50 hz.You guys get 38hz out of that? Must be some technology that I don't understand. In looking at the box size, I know I couldn't get any lower than 50hz in a reflex box. If you don't mind me asking, what tweeter are you using? 300 watts. Wow. I use a Ciare tweeter (the same one used in Meyersound $$$ monitors--supposedly the best in the business) that's pretty pricey and it only has a power handling rating of 40 watts. I looked at your power ratings. Man---I've got to raise mine by about 40%!
 
#153
Mike Arnopol said:
I was just checking the website.I'm confused as far as a couple of things. Are you guys using the Faital 12pr300? I thought that was what Drue said. I'm a bit confused. It has a resonance of 50 hz.You guys get 38hz out of that? Must be some technology that I don't understand. In looking at the box size, I know I couldn't get any lower than 50hz in a reflex box. If you don't mind me asking, what tweeter are you using? 300 watts. Wow. I use a Ciare tweeter (the same one used in Meyersound $$$ monitors--supposedly the best in the business) that's pretty pricey and it only has a power handling rating of 40 watts. I looked at your power ratings. Man---I've got to raise mine by about 40%!
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What you bring up is what makes me uncomfortable recommending amps where the advertised or specified power ratings by the speaker manufacturer are unclear. For example, recently somebody asked about using a BBC-112 with a Subway D-800. Since it's advertised as a 4 ohm only cabinet at 600 watts (no specified units of RMS, program or peak), and my understanding about the driver being used, I simply can not recommend (in good conscience) any amp that delivers 800 watts RMS into a cabinet that MY EXPERIENCE suggests has a real world mechanical limit of about 300-350 watts (RMS). This is especially important where the low frequency response of the speaker system (as both Mike and I understand it to be) would lead to acoustic unloading of the driver well before the HPF becomes active. Nobody wants to see a player destroy a speaker, this does nothing but costly disappointment and leads to ill will towards both products.

I have no comment on the sound or tone profile, that's quite a subjective quality and it's no surprise that some players really like the sound. I have always been a proponent of playing what you like, I am just wary of players unintentionally and unexpectedly damaging an otherwise functional speaker.

Perhaps somebody who has more in depth, or more complete information might be able to help close this gap between what is advertised/specified and what my real world experience suggests?
 
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#155
Mike Arnopol said:
I was just checking the website.I'm confused as far as a couple of things. Are you guys using the Faital 12pr300? I thought that was what Drue said. I'm a bit confused. It has a resonance of 50 hz.You guys get 38hz out of that? Must be some technology that I don't understand. In looking at the box size, I know I couldn't get any lower than 50hz in a reflex box. If you don't mind me asking, what tweeter are you using? 300 watts. Wow. I use a Ciare tweeter (the same one used in Meyersound $$$ monitors--supposedly the best in the business) that's pretty pricey and it only has a power handling rating of 40 watts. I looked at your power ratings. Man---I've got to raise mine by about 40%!
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Brad Johnson said:
Cool... I was wondering if you had forgotten who I was :D. I've been dealing with the 'farm over a couple of products for years.

I just noticed that Drue changed the low frequency specs on all of the cabs since my departure. I have no idea what's up with that. The original specs were based on actual analysis by an engineer.
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Again, I'm no longer there. I have no idea what's up with that. The original specs reflected what spectrum analysis revealed during testing.
 
#158
agedhorse said:
What you bring up is what makes me uncomfortable recommending amps where the advertised or specified power ratings by the speaker manufacturer are unclear. For example, recently somebody asked about using a BBC-112 with a Subway D-800. Since it's advertised as a 4 ohm only cabinet at 600 watts (no specified units of RMS, program or peak), and my understanding about the driver being used, I simply can not recommend (in good conscience) any amp that delivers 800 watts RMS into a cabinet that MY EXPERIENCE suggests has a real world mechanical limit of about 300-350 watts (RMS). This is especially important where the low frequency response of the speaker system (as both Mike and I understand it to be) would lead to acoustic unloading of the driver well before the HPF becomes active. Nobody wants to see a player destroy a speaker, this does nothing but costly disappointment and leads to ill will towards both products.

I have no comment on the sound or tone profile, that's quite a subjective quality and it's no surprise that some players really like the sound. I have always been a proponent of playing what you like, I am just wary of players unintentionally and unexpectedly damaging an otherwise functional speaker.

Perhaps somebody who has more in depth, or more complete information might be able to help close this gap between what is advertised/specified and what my real world experience suggests?
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Caveat: The 112 cab came after I left. I know next to nothing about it. On the power tip...

I can't say I really understand this. I've used my Mike Pope/Crown Drive core XLS1500 (well over 1000w bridged) rack with my Bag End S15XD 1-15 cabs which I think might be rated at 250w. I've also used it with my Quilter BB800 which is capable of over 400 into 8 ohms. Never had an issue either way.
 

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