Grunge, Umanov and Stuart Jay have a lot to do with the vintage market since they did establish the guidelines..
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Is this really what they're worth?
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This is a good point. I hadn't noticed the listing was in CL Vegas and the seller is in Cherry Hill. I live a 20-minute drive from there, so if I get really bored today, maybe I'll give him a call and see what's what.
I assumed from the get that this deal smelled a bit funny, if only for the fact of using CL to sell a $11K guitar...
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good to know I'm not the only one wondering that!
believe it or not that's actually verry reasonable priced In comparison to others I've seen around & in all fairness the year and condition is amazing!
Everything is a conspiracy...it’s not uncommon at all for someone to post an item like this in multiple cities on Craigslist.
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And you don’t agree that a Pre CBS Fender, a good one, doesn’t have something special going on?
The operative words there are "a good one" and "special" there were plenty of stinkers then too. Pre-CBS doesn't have the market cornered on "good" or "special" basses.
Just because a bass is labeled "vintage" to jack up the price doesn't make it automatically better than any others.
But if it was a custom order...with Fender you can never say never
The first pic makes it look blonde but the others look like natural. In any event if it's legit (which is kinda beside the point of the original question about prices) it would be super rare.
Yes, I'm aware that it is common to post in multiple cities -- but they're usually within close proximity of each other. Last I checked, Vegas was thousands of miles from the East Coast. And no, everything isn't a conspiracy... trying to sell an $11K guitar on Craigslist is shady at best. Thanks.
First, that is what they are asking for it. That doesn't mean they are going to get it.
Second, its largely BS. Paintings aren't worth anything unless someone says it is. Once a feedback loop of it being "good" gets going, it snowballs.
Third, and this one actually matters, rarity. If that bass is legit, it is older than I am, and looks a lot better for its age than I do. That's not easy find. Anything that is 55 years old, besides people, has an intrinsic value due to there being not so many of them anymore. Basses get trashed from use, so to find one that old and in good condition is rare.
Four, Fender nuts are just that, nuts.
But if it was a custom order...with Fender you can never say never
I know...but I also know that I've never seen an ash-bodied pre-CBS Jazz - or even heard of one - and I've been exposed to literally thousands of Fenders from *all* eras for about 40 years now...so without some serious proof supporting a custom build concept in this case I'm going to remain extremely skeptical.
Damn. 1963 is my birth year and I'm a Fender guy. I'd love to have a 1963 but can't really justify that purchase. It's not so much that I can't afford it, but rather that if I bought a bass that costs over $10K I'd feel obligated to play it exclusively and I have a collection of about 8-10 basses that I love and don't want to neglect.
i think if you want a hand made from top to bottom jazz bass with wood from the 50s or 60s that has vintage specs for everything you are looking at around 5 grand to 6, so why not, all i can see myself doing is getting a jv series squier and just closing my eyes and pretending it's a legit 57
Taking a slightly closer look at the pictures...which leave a lot to be desired, probably on purpose...
No leftover hole on the back of the headstock from the strap pin. My eyes are bad, if someone sees differently feel free to correct me.
The front of the headstock looks *way* too new for a Fender of the presumed vintage. The same applies to the back of the neck.
Highly suspect on both accounts, and given the condition of the body as previously discussed I'd be inclined to call it a parts bass at best, and a fake at worst.
Even if I were in the market for a pre-CBS Jazz with $10K to spare, I wouldn't give this one time of day. Obviously, to each their own.
No leftover hole on the back of the headstock from the strap pin. My eyes are bad, if someone sees differently feel free to correct me.
The front of the headstock looks *way* too new for a Fender of the presumed vintage. The same applies to the back of the neck.
Highly suspect on both accounts, and given the condition of the body as previously discussed I'd be inclined to call it a parts bass at best, and a fake at worst.
Even if I were in the market for a pre-CBS Jazz with $10K to spare, I wouldn't give this one time of day. Obviously, to each their own.
The best bass I've played, apart from a few mid 80s Wals, was a recent year (2012 ish?) American Standard. The 1960s basses I've played have mostly been pretty average in terms of the mechanics (action, etc.), or even what I would consider unplayable. The 1967 Gibson I was offered I rejected as I'd broken my hand so badly I wasn't sure I would ever play again, and that might have been OK. It looked nice - headstock was still on, even.
you think prices for Basses are crazy ? Just for grins you ought to check the prices for some of the legendary guitars.
I'll start it off by offering this link to a 59 Gibson Les Paul, listed at Gruhn ....
EB6759 1959 Gibson Les Paul Custom
I have no dog in the "vintage" discussion. I have been playing bass since 1968 and have had the opportunity to own and play many instruments that are currently considered "vintage" and highly desirable. Some are good feeling and playing basses, some are just bricks, but the "vintage" collectors market for such things generally does not care about how they feel and play as many just end up hanging on collectors walls in environmentally controlled display boxes. Some do end up in the hands of players who have the money to drop on them, and to me, that's much better than turning them into museum pieces.
there is no meaningful logic in the pricing of a market like "vintage" instruments .. it's entirely based on what the "market will bear".
I'll start it off by offering this link to a 59 Gibson Les Paul, listed at Gruhn ....
EB6759 1959 Gibson Les Paul Custom
I have no dog in the "vintage" discussion. I have been playing bass since 1968 and have had the opportunity to own and play many instruments that are currently considered "vintage" and highly desirable. Some are good feeling and playing basses, some are just bricks, but the "vintage" collectors market for such things generally does not care about how they feel and play as many just end up hanging on collectors walls in environmentally controlled display boxes. Some do end up in the hands of players who have the money to drop on them, and to me, that's much better than turning them into museum pieces.
there is no meaningful logic in the pricing of a market like "vintage" instruments .. it's entirely based on what the "market will bear".
