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Isn't neck dive simply a builders flaw?
- Thread starter JAUQO III-X
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I don't believe it to be a design flaw because people are still willing to purchase and play the bass as it was made, but thats argumentative. I recently played a Fender Marcus Miller 4 string that had to be at least 12-13 pounds with the worst neck dive I've ever experienced. The tone was solid but I would NEVER consider buying it because weight and dive are major ergonomic issues I consider when buying a bass. With that being said there are those who could care less about ergonomics and just go for it, bless them.
If company X recognized neck dive as a design flaw wouldn't they be obligated to correct that flaw?
If company X recognized neck dive as a design flaw wouldn't they be obligated to correct that flaw?
Yeah, I definitely wouldn't sue over neck dive, that goes right up there with the hot coffee incident.
I would however sell that bass, and not recommend it.
I'll certainly buy an SX(don't have the money right now, money goes to food, bills and things more important), but selling the Epiphone is an outright no! Too much sentimental atachment and too much of a great instrument.
Which isn't surprising at all. Bunny Brunel's big goals for the BB75 were improved balance and comfortable access to the upper frets. The BB75's slightly goofy looking really long upper horn and very deep lower cut-away were big parts of achieving this.
See, designing the thing correctly up front works!
And I'm perfectly happy my BB75, even if the shape is slightly unusual.
If you love a bass that has neck dive, couldn't you just attach a four or five pound weight to the back end of the body to even things out?
Kinda actually not joking so much with that one, either.
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My hypothetical scenario was not to sue over neck dive but the possibility of suing because the neck dive caused physical injury.
It's called a product liability lawsuit
And the woman who sued McDonald's over the hot coffee incident won her case.
It's called a product liability lawsuit
And the woman who sued McDonald's over the hot coffee incident won her case.
If you love a bass that has neck dive, couldn't you just attach a four or five pound weight to the back end of the body to even things out?
Kinda actually not joking so much with that one, either.
Just tried adding a weight(Paramedic bag) and man, great idea! But now I must find something that will not look goofy.
Some one feels that there's a need to assist in the flaws that some builders are selling the consumer
If you don't like the balance of a bass, don't buy it.
There are plenty other people who are more interested in the other aspects of an instrument.
There are plenty other people who are more interested in the other aspects of an instrument.
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If you love a bass that has neck dive, couldn't you just attach a four or five pound weight to the back end of the body to even things out?
Kinda actually not joking so much with that one, either.
You could, but it might be better and lighter to put some sort of upper horn extension on.
Neck dive is totally a flaw. The bass designer's priorities are in the wrong order, or they're designing something pretty (to hang on the wall?), or (to paraphrase Freddy Tavares' comments on CBS/Fender) "They sent in a bunch of furniture people, not musical instrument people."
What if you tried the instrument sitted and that you didn't know that you had a bad technique? And then proceed to buy the instruments and 7 month later start having cramps. A bad balanced bass is not a bad bass. And has Tim said, it work. Balance issue i easily remedied with adding a pound or 2 to the bass.
Some one feels that there's a need to assist in the flaws that some builders are selling the consumer
Well, hell, I never said a thunderbird isn't a great looking (and sounding!) bass
It could very well be, in certain cases, a matter of trying to design an instrument that has a "killer look" with ergonomics being a secondary thought. Perhaps, also, trying to modify one's design to make it ergonomic ruins the design and doesn't achieve the "look" you want.
I also considered this: why not have someone drill small holes in the butt of the instrument and installing small metal weights to weigh the body down and correct the imbalance?
Because that damages your instrument, for something you can easily hang from you strappin or something.
So JAUQO, are you studying law in your spare time? Preparing to be an expert witness? Contemplating producing a new product? This has been an interesting discussion. Just wondering what prompted you to start it.
Peace,
S
Peace,
S
No not at all. It's just a natural observation.
Some people here seem to think that neck dive is kool, I don't. I feel that it's a flaw.
But if people want to spend their money for a flaw, I guess they're getting what they choose to pay for.
