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Jaco clip causing some controversy

#321
shwashwa said:
that swings, and should also answer the question can jaco improvise? also check this recording of him blowing on a joe henderson tune. swinging..,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP9d7z-lG7o

and this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmRJB5aaAiA
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Was there ever any question that Jaco could improvise? His walking lines make this self evident. However, I wish he would have learned to solo over changes better. That's where he uses his licks over and over in different key centers.
 
#324
basschanges said:
Was there ever any question that Jaco could improvise? His walking lines make this self evident. However, I wish he would have learned to solo over changes better. That's where he uses his licks over and over in different key centers.
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you just described every improviser who ever lived, including bird and trane. before people start arguing, do some transcribing and you will see. its just the nature of the music. we all develop a vocabulary. (check out stinnett's paul chambers book for this also)
 
#325
shwashwa said:
you just described every improviser who ever lived, including bird and trane. before people start arguing, do some transcribing and you will see. its just the nature of the music. we all develop a vocabulary. (check out stinnett's paul chambers book for this also)
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+1 in the Omnibook Bird uses the same ii V patterns on many occasions. Just part of the Bebop language. Check out the amount of repetition in Giant Steps as well.
 
#326
Roy Vogt said:
+1 in the Omnibook Bird uses the same ii V patterns on many occasions. Just part of the Bebop language. Check out the amount of repetition in Giant Steps as well.
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shwashwa said:
you just described every improviser who ever lived, including bird and trane. before people start arguing, do some transcribing and you will see. its just the nature of the music. we all develop a vocabulary. (check out stinnett's paul chambers book for this also)
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Yea, when I finished typing that I realized I could have been clearer. Of course every player has stock phrases that they use all the time in different key centers, but Jaco's soloing never sounds like he's playing through the harmony like bird or trane or whomever.

It just sounds like he plays his phrase in one key and disjointedly then plays another phrase in the next key. It's more uncommon to have the typical voiceleading (7 to 3 and so forth)movements in his soloing. When he's soloing he does not sound like a bebop player. It sounds like he just never learned to solo through the changes.
 
#327
basschanges said:
Yea, when I finished typing that I realized I could have been clearer. Of course every player has stock phrases that they use all the time, but Jaco's soloing never sounds like he's playing through the harmony like bird or trane or whomever.

It just sounds like he plays his phrase in one key and disjointedly then plays another phrase in the next key. It's more uncommon to have the typical voiceleading (7 to 3 and so forth)movements in his soloing. When he's soloing he does not sound like a bebop player. It sounds like he just never learned to solo through the changes.
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He certainly had an ear for space and spacing in his style that mostly gets overlooked, which I could sort of see being perceived as disjointed by some, though his playing carries the groove through pretty consistently - Jaco wasn't one to drop that groove (his later mental/behavioral decline notwithstanding). However, tragically short though it was, Jaco had a longer career playing way too much music with heavyweight cats for him to have "never" been playing through the changes. :eyebrow:
 
#329
superfunk47 said:
He certainly had an ear for space and spacing in his style that mostly gets overlooked, which I could sort of see being perceived as disjointed by some, though his playing carries the groove through pretty consistently - Jaco wasn't one to drop that groove (his later mental/behavioral decline notwithstanding). However, tragically short though it was, Jaco had a longer career playing way too much music with heavyweight cats for him to have "never" been playing through the changes. :eyebrow:
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Jaco never dropped the groove ever. His sense of time and pocket and locking in with drummers is unreal. I idolize his walking lines and his R&B lines. It's clear why he played with "heavyweight" cats...my comment is only about one facet of his playing. I hope my comment doesn't get misconstrued as me saying he's not a good player, because he was clearly one of the most talented to ever play the bass guitar.

I don't think I'm mistaking his leaving space in solos for a lack of connecting the harmony.
 
#333
joe vegas said:
uptempo funk-swingin' like mad in a trio setting of Teen Town.
Bireli Lagrene gets a bit cliched for my taste, but Jaco's comping is excellent-
sharp, witty, interactive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjS9Y-T589g

(the accompanying video isn't the track itself, obviously)
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Yeah, the track is cool. Having someone absurdly put the Montreal Jazz Festival video footage on while it is playing is pretty painful. Someone should remove that clip.
 
#334
Speaking of mismatching that video with the wrong audio, here is a YouTube clip that is completely disrespectful but utterly hilarious at the same time; just to prove we shouldn't take ourselves so seriously. I mean the Montreal performance is so absolutely stupendous that it really can stand up to this kind of blasphemy.

Hope you enjoy it and don't take it too seriously. Its absurd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKCwH3amLaU

Absolutely no disrespect intended and hope I don't offend anyone putting it here.
 
#337
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#338
These threads always seem to say to me that many folks think they stand next to bassists like Slam Stewart, Jimmy Blanton, Paul Chambers, Ray Brown, and the great EB players. We don't; we stand on their shoulders, just like Jaco did. They blazed the trail that makes it sometimes too easy to get all puffed up about ourselves.

Perspective is important.
 
#339
okcrum said:
These threads always seem to say to me that many folks think they stand next to bassists like Slam Stewart, Jimmy Blanton, Paul Chambers, Ray Brown, and the great EB players. We don't; we stand on their shoulders, just like Jaco did. They blazed the trail that makes it sometimes too easy to get all puffed up about ourselves.

Perspective is important.
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Jaco was influenced by many of course and he respected the cats that influenced him. But Jaco then changed everything EB-wise. Many others were huge influences. But when it comes to EB there is basically pre-Jaco and post-Jaco. Who loves ya, Jaco?
 
#340
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