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Jazz Jams, singer questions

hello Jazz cats, may I ask a few questions?

Im learning some jazz tunes to sing (voice). In a real world jam, is it ok usually to request a standard be played in a key other than the original?

Can I dictate the tempo by counting in?

What is usually the intro done for most standards? Just leave it to them and I should be able to recognize my cue?

thanks
 
hello Jazz cats, may I ask a few questions?

Im learning some jazz tunes to sing (voice). In a real world jam, is it ok usually to request a standard be played in a key other than the original?

Can I dictate the tempo by counting in?

What is usually the intro done for most standards? Just leave it to them and I should be able to recognize my cue?

thanks

It really depends upon the skill of the band. Top players learn tunes in all keys or can transpose on the fly, but not all bands/musicians have this level of skill.

Usually before you sing you will talk to the band leader and work out details like key, tempo, and style. Often 4 or 8 bars from the end of the tune are used as an intro, or the piano player may improvise something on the fly that is more free form. Experienced pros can negotiate all the details in 15-30 seconds; maybe less.
 
You'll need to let the band come up with the intro and come in accordingly. You will not be counting the band off. You can suggest a tempo to the pianist and let him pass the word around.

You're a guest and in charge of nothing. Tread lightly with calling nonstandard keys. If you have a tough time with a tune in the standard key, there are surely others that lay well for you
 
Fellow singer here. There are a few approaches.

Approach 1: learn the tunes in standard keys from the various Real Books (get yours in C), but ff a song is too high or too low, create your own takes on the melodies that go into the registers you need, so that you can swing it without a lot of hassle. Just like playing an instrument, you should be able to use a combination of the chord progression and the written melody to get around a chart. Please note that some tunes (like Autumn Leaves) might be in a couple of standard keys, so you might get Gm one night and Am the next.


Approach 2: If you have figured out that your best key is something other than in the Real Book, be ready to provide charts in your key to the band. But make sure that the charts are as close to the look/format of the Real Book as you can. Use MuseScore or another engraving program to make your charts nice. Include melody, lyrics, and chord symbols (use Marker Felt or a similar font for those).

Either approach should be supported with having your own book or binder with you, with multiple copies of the tunes you'd like to do, in case any of the players has an incomplete book. Depending on the venue's resources, you may consider having a simple cheap mic and a little guitar amp in the trunk. I had to do this at a restaurant in San Francisco when I'd join in with the band. The place didn't have a P.A.


You should have an idea about what you'd like to do musically, and be able to nicely describe it (e.g. on 'Round Midnight or lots of other tunes: "Can we start it as a ballad, but kick it up to a swing after the second ending?") This would be a super normal way to go. Or you could do a ballad like I'm Old Fashioned straight ahead as a hard bop tune--if you've worked it out, experienced players will be supportive. As you build a repertoire, be judicious about what you add to your book--don't halfway learn 20 tunes--learn to sing 5-10 tunes really well, and be able to solo over them.

Just be prepared for what comes at you! I was sitting in at the old Blue Wisp in Cincy when I was in college, blowing over All Blues. At one point, the band (all pros) went double time under my scat solo, and it was amazing--took us to another planet of expression, and since I didn't balk, I was invited back. Another time I was sitting in at Birdland, and I got lost somewhere in my 3rd scat chorus over My Funny Valentine. At this point, I pointed to my noggin to get us back to the head, and the band went there so we could finish with dignity intact.

I've had bandleaders yell "you're not done yet!" at me when I thought I'd duck out after one solo chorus. You just have to get up there and try it.
 
Great input, thank you. Fyi, I do try to stay in original key for just about every tune I learn.

But here's an example where no.....: Ive Got You Under My Skin....I can do it no problem in original key but.... its not my fave for me, wish it was two half steps down so it can feature lower parts of my register.
 
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Great input, thank you. Fyi, I do try to stay in original key for just about every tune I learn.

But here's an example where no.....: Ive Got You Under My Skin....I can do it no problem in original key but.... its not my fave for me, wish it was two half steps down so it can feature lower parts of my register.
On such a well-known tune (medium tempo and straight-forward changes doesn't hurt, either), you should be pretty safe. But if the pianist makes funny faces about it, be prepared to call something else.
 
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Wow! Killer "Giant Steps" video above, and highly informative supportive thread. It's like an alternate-universe TB, or clicking onto the DB forums.

I actually just double-checked to make sure it's indeed the slab side.

Thanks all. Five stars. Would read again.
 
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hello Jazz cats, may I ask a few questions?

Im learning some jazz tunes to sing (voice). In a real world jam, is it ok usually to request a standard be played in a key other than the original?
Yes. But don't do meaningless changes, like E instead of F. If there are horn players there, use keys with flats, not sharps.
Can I dictate the tempo by counting in?
Yes.
What is usually the intro done for most standards? Just leave it to them and I should be able to recognize my cue?
Leave it to them, they'll give you a cue. Often last four bars, or two bar I - II - V patterns.
 
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I know drummers that tuned their set for a specific song for recording. Never asked the details.

A lot of times percussionists will tune their kick drums to the key for a recording. The theory is that it will make the drums and the bass that much more seamless as a duo, rather than hearing them as separate entities. I've never actually done it, so I can not say that for certain. But, it seems logical.

Off-Subject: Percussionists need to worry about the key just as much as everybody else. Drum and Bugle Corps. and marching bands have to be tuned up, as do concert percussion.

On-Subject: 80% of your audience is not there to see the band. Your job is to make that singer look as good as possible, get paid, and get more gigs.

If you bring the singer in as a specialist on a set or two, you have asked them to be there, so you should do what you can to accommodate them. If it's the singers gig, then they have asked you to be there, so you should accommodate them. If you are a working unit, that has equal say in how things are done, vote on it, but remember that you have to have the vocalist sounding good, or else no one come to the next gig, or even ask you back to play.

Short answer: Accommodate the singer.
 
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