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Jazzers vs rockers

This has been an interest of mine for a long time. Obviously I've written a fair amount about jazz playing, among other styles, but I've always been fascinated with finding educational approaches that are directed toward superstitious rock and blues players - you know, the ones that think learning about music will somehow cripple their ability to "feel" it, or perhaps stunt their "creativity." Although I had a classical upright background on bass, I was a teenaged blues/rock guitarist (sounds like a horror movie) and I learned it all the same way everyone else did - by ear, picking things up off records, and playing a lot. I remember that well, and while my classical training helped me read music, it never helped me understand what the hell I was playing. So... as most of my students over the years have been rock players, I deal with this all the time. Not everyone wants to learn jazz, not everyone has the patience to get in there and sweat over music they don't like, will never play, and don't grasp. I've spent a lot of time coming up with ways to make things palatable and accessible without watering them down... My book "Building Rock Bass Lines" was an attempt at taking the basic principles of "Building Walking Bass Lines" and applying them to rock-oriented progressions and rhythms... while not a perfect book - I think there's a lot of good info and examples in that one. Also, "Pentatonic Scales For Bass" has a lot of info geared toward rock players... Maybe one day I'll really try to tackle this... but by then... who would buy a "rock" bass book written by some 60-year old dude?

This 60 year old dude would! Right now I really don't have much interest in playing jazz. It's far too complex for me, and by the time I master it it'll be time for my dirt nap! I am trying to learn some music theory, and I'm also trying to get a handle on those little dots on a straight line. I'm sure learning theory will help a lot, but at this time trying to learn theory at the level of a competent jazz bassist would take me too many years, and I don't know how many I've got left. So I'll stick with what I've known since The Beatles were on The Ed Sullivan Show.
 
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Another one here- no desire to learn jazz: never has done anything for me. Jazzy blues, maybe, but...
Learning jazz as a tool to get to what one really wants could maybe work, but people usually learn better/faster with something they're interested in. Learning a lot of jazz stuff, as a tool, then not using what you'll never want to play is alright if one has enough time on their hands, and enough time in life for that. Such is often not the case. (Saw an age poll here on TB somewhere, and there's a high percentage 45 yrs+). Many don't have time to learn music/ an instrument 'til after their middle years, and some are getting back into playing and want to step up their game, but time is a factor.

"edfriedland said:"
Thanks for the post, lots of good points there, good perspective. Also, thanks for the 'Bass Method' series (and others) and your youtube vids. It's a rare person that is so knowledgeable and able to teach and demonstrate this well.
 
Dead? Man oah man its been said since the 50s will folks never learn?
but where are the new rockers ? people who still play rock are 40 and up and still play the same old 100 songs written before the 70s for the same demographics... so when all that people will die, is rock will survive ? it seems a thing from the past that people with grey hair try desperatly to keep alive. It started as a rebel thing and then become so clustered by stupid rules that it is an empty shell ... it is hard to keep a style of music that refuse to evolve
 
Jazz: "smooth, cool man"
Rocker: "LET"S PARTY ALL"


Jazz: " Hey did you see that, a 9th over a 5th with an added 11th"
Rocker: "Hey did you see the hot babe in the second roll?"


Jazz: " I just got a new tux's for the art museum opening"
Rocker: " My sister loaned me her tutu for the new bar that's opening tonight"


Just kidding, both have great musicians and have their places in society.

 
This 60 year old dude would! Right now I really don't have much interest in playing jazz. It's far too complex for me, and by the time I master it it'll be time for my dirt nap! I am trying to learn some music theory, and I'm also trying to get a handle on those little dots on a straight line. I'm sure learning theory will help a lot, but at this time trying to learn theory at the level of a competent jazz bassist would take me too many years, and I don't know how many I've got left. So I'll stick with what I've known since The Beatles were on The Ed Sullivan Show.

I guess I can understand wanting to dive right into rock bass theory. I think the OP wants a book like this one that covers basic rock styles and the scales/patterns most associated with them: https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...11&ei=H4CXU6exEa7NsQSfpYLoBw&ved=0CKcBEKYrMAQ

But my opinion on the rock vs jazz topic is that many people lament the current lack of skill/musicianship in rock bands. Just this week I heard people raving about a Bob Weir show because the older guys were actually able to play music for 3 hours rather than set pieces, and I saw a conversation between Rudy Sarzo and Frank Bello where they were praising Geezer Butler. Back in the day, more rock musicians had jazz/blues knowledge and they just turned up the energy and brought their abilities and groove to heavier music. Drummers especially, like in Deep Purple and the Doors you had guys that could play due to their jazz influences, and now you've got drummers that are very fast but limited by what seems to be a shallower pool of influences.
 
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