You need to be a little quicker. Try reading threads to a metronome at a slow speed, then up it notch or two...
huh? ithink im noticing b/c i am reading fast? I have never noticed as much editing as with Jeffs posts
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Jeff Berlin asks - What Is Taught Without Only Teaching the Facts!
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huh? ithink im noticing b/c i am reading fast? I have never noticed as much editing as with Jeffs posts
I think it was more honest than an attack. If you responded cordially I think you may have found he was going to agree with your point. I feel you're the one who's being the passive aggressive reading your past posts in this thread.
Yes, you are right! I am trying to edit my posts that might fill the wishes of people here in how I communicate. I edit them with this in mind. Thanks for your patience with me.
I end up editing about every post I make. I often type sentences out to fast, and usually upon rereading my own statements I find numerous typos and poorly structured sentencing.
I could not accept scales. I mean, where did they come from? I finally found a book that explained that notes of scales are related to the primary note via mathematical fractions. The interval of the 5th is a vibration exactly 2/3 of the vibration of the primary note. That's why you have a dot or inlay at the 7th fret. It works in descending order also. A minor 3rd note is actually the same as a major 3rd, but in descending order. Got a headache yet? LOL! SO, I also think that you gain a lot from the academic study of music theory. Few people can intuitively figure out some good stuff. Jeff, do you think it helps to think about bass in terms of fractions?
I do have a question:
How do you figure that technique fits into bass instruction?
By technique, I mean the mechanics of playing. While it is not musical content, it is still a requirement to be able to play your instrument well.
How do you figure that technique fits into bass instruction?
By technique, I mean the mechanics of playing. While it is not musical content, it is still a requirement to be able to play your instrument well.
Hi Quinn. Are you addressing me? I am curious to know who you are referring to. Did I offend you?
i see the difference in approach
i generally only edit for typos (and even then not that often), opting to clarify later if needed and letting the original stand
i generally only edit for typos (and even then not that often), opting to clarify later if needed and letting the original stand
Not fractions, but chords, certainly as first principles of earning harmony. A Cmaj7 spelled C E G B is more defining than the notes that spell C D E F G A B C because these notes don't define a specific chord sound.
No, if I responded to you that was an error on my part. Was more or less saying people shouldn't be so hesitant jump to conclusions.
Bass players often mention developing the technique of students. But I can't recall any that gave use of this technique by learning the language of music.
I honestly feel like Mr Berlin is arguing that the sky is blue. Perhaps we are missing the point because we have never doubted the sky is blue, or had anyone try to convince us otherwise.
The argument seems to be that the only way to become a better musician is to study music. The 1000+ responses seem to be people hoping there is more to it. Like an obese man pushing an elite sporting coach for an answer above “eat less, move more” to drop the weight.
Maybe he was hoping that contrary evidence could be provided and a robust discussion could be had. Maybe TB should facilitate a round table with Berlin, Ed Friedland, Victor Wooten, Roy Vogt, Scott Devine, Ari Capp, Anthony Wellington, Carol Kaye etc to discuss their methods of teaching and philosophies on learning. That would be waaayyy cool.
I agree and I thank you for understanding this. I've noticed that way less people on Talkbass seem to be OK with points of learning that violate what they believe in. It isn't about belief. It is about what IS!
I'm not arguing that the sky is blue. I'm arguing that people are paying teachers to tell them that the sky is blue. This is a stupid reason to pay someone to teach you this.
Well, if you wanted me to play Cmaj7 chord tones up and down the neck, but I could only fret with one finger, we'd have a problem!
There must be a minimal amount of technique that is required for proficiency on your instrument, even if it's only at the beginner level.Sure there is: do this in 1st position.Well, if you wanted me to play Cmaj7 chord tones up and down the neck, but I could only fret with one finger, we'd have a problem!
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No. I honestly don't remember, it was 20 years ago - but I do remember the first lesson. He showed me some simple warmups, and introduced me to a bunch of bass players (on cassette) that at the time I was shamefully unaware of. Twas the days before the internet and I had never even heard of Jaco. I believe he introduced me to intervals, also...
It would be unfair for me to elaborate any more cuz I have a rough time remembering. And I have no idea how Pat works with other students. I don't want to drag him undeservedly into this mess. We talked A LOT before we began. What I do remember most though was that he made me feel great about my potential and my abilities at that time. THAT'S one of the things that kept me moving forward on my own. I'm happy with where I've traveled and presently am as a musician. You and I, I believe have played with some of the same great musicians (I might be wrong on that), but you're light years away from me in ability. I can't come close to doing what you do, and I truly doubt I'd ever get close to knowing what you know theoretically with music. I am soooo not wired that way. Yet my particular set of skills, and my way of learning got me to some of the same stages as you. Following your path, I'm near certain that would have been impossible. I'd be a frustrated mess who would probably have given up bass and picked up a paintbrush or something.
Why I get a little up in arms is because I feel that while I believe your intent is good, I think you push away more people than you'd be able to help. Maybe I'm completely wrong about that too. Maybe you attract only those you should be attracting? Those who can and will learn from you. I do think all the rambling that's been going on in this thread defeats the purpose though. I'm not in total agreement that people are learning from this 22 page discussion. I think also that the discussion could be all be saved by simply saying, "I believe...., " or, "In my opinion...," before the rest of things you say. But that's not what you believe, you believe that what you state is ironclad. And ya know... actually, there's nothing so wrong with that. Maybe I just need to get outta here
, cuz we think differently.Before leaving I just want to say that I have complete and total respect for your abilities. I hope that I haven't offended in any way, and should we ever cross paths at NAMM or something (we did once, but there's not a chance you'd remember
), I hope all is cool. You're a lot bigger than me and could kick my ass in big-time .
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You may be right, and I apologize if so. I'm doing my best, as I'm sure Jeff is also.
This is the truest post in this thread. I could expand upon this x1000, but it would ultimately serve no purpose other than to piss off all of the fanboys. Also, I'm a new TB member, so I'd better tread lightly for awhile ha!
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