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John Entwistle!

these_go211 said:
ok guys, i saw it last nite. very cool. the interviews with the ox and his mom are especially great. a lot of the live footage though is stuff we've seen on the kids are alright dvd. where this dvd shines is with the bonus footage. they have some absolutely mindblowing live footage of the john entwistle band doing "the real me', 'shaking all over', and 'young man blues.' all these songs are essentially bass solos. 'Fricken UNBELIEVABLE stuff!! and then there are a few songs from a detroit show too. i'd say it's a must for fans of the Ox. you feel like you know him a little better after watching this.

i havent received mine yet but is the john entwistle band footage from the "john entwistle band live" dvd or is it unreleased footage?
 
I just got this DVD, and I loved the bonus material!

Butt do anybody know why there was no interview with Roger Daltrey? I thought that was pretty strange, and I was also really upset that they just continued the tour right after Entwistles death.
 
It seemed to me there could have been some more interviews with Entwistle's contemporaries on there. They should also have put John's 'bass-cam' from the Royal Albert shows on there, pretty mind blowing footage that really showed him going for it. Overall I dug it though, and I'm very glad they put it out.
 
Joe Garage said:
.........and I was also really upset that they just continued the tour right after Entwistles death.

The Who were totally gutted to have to carry on the tour, but John apparently was in such ill health that he did not have the medical insurance to cover any accident or injury that may affect the tour - if they had not carried on when they had, some people - not just the band - would have lost their shirts and faced financial ruin. Hence PT's remarks at the time about having a duty to his family and various promoters, etc. All very sad.
 
i believe that i read somewhere that roger is still prety p***ED off at john for dieing. i just saw an interview with pete and roger from the beginning of the tour where roger is pretty much saying that without john, it aint the who anymore. i think that rog and pete should only tour now acoustically and call it THE TWO, but the who, nope, not anymore.
 
these_go211 said:
from what i've read there was a lot of animosity b/w daltrey and entwistle. the who was one of those bands that was always on the verge of imploding. and sometimes it did! in the early years there were actual fistfights. check out the interview with townshend in the current issue of rollingstone.

I watched it yesterday...very interesting.

This is a must see for all Bass Players. John said that Roger during a show yells turn it down..and Entwistle tells him then you play the f'ing thing and smashes his $3,500 Ambelic bass on the stage...:eek:

Sad how PT towards the end could tell John was not doing well just by the way he was looking he said John actually looked like he was turning the color gray. :crying:

If I am not mistaken he said he had a Rolls Royce modified into a station wagon so he could transport his dogs. :)

What I liked was how after the doc. went thru Keith Moons passing and when the Who came back in '82 they did not mention Kenny Jones name once even though the documentary shows him playing with John, Pete, and Roger.
 
these_go211 said:
from what i've read there was a lot of animosity b/w daltrey and entwistle. the who was one of those bands that was always on the verge of imploding. and sometimes it did! in the early years there were actual fistfights. check out the interview with townshend in the current issue of rollingstone.

I have check out that interview, but I still think it’s very odd that he was not interviewed once on the Entwistle documentary. Those arguments that they had couldn’t possible be that important since they continuded to work with each other.
 
JacoLesFlea said:
If I am not mistaken he said he had a Rolls Royce modified into a station wagon so he could transport his dogs. :)

yeah, I read somewhere about him driving it to visit the Bass Centre in wapping.
there is a rolls royce estate car/station wagon in a garage on sloane street in london- it's visible from the road and has intrigued me because of the entwistle connection.
 
there is another john entwistle dvd out. it is called "thunderfingers" and is a tribute to him. rick wakeman, bill curbishley, jeff skunk baxter and a whole host of others are interviewed for this thing. i got mine last night but havent had a chance to watch it yet.

Thunderfingers: A Tribute John to the legendary John Entwistle (DVD, 2006)
UPC: 022891453796
 
I know that john entwistle is an extremely good bassist but someone should refresh me on my why hes one of the greatest of all time..sure he has a real bomb bass solo on my generation...and some other real good basslines like on I can see for miles but really whats his best song that would make him a legend??
 
There are many reasons why Entwistle is a bass guitar legend/god.

For songs that example his wonderful style and sound (in my opinion):

My Generation: This song introduced the rock music world to the first bass guitar solo.

The Real Me: Once you hear it you will know why I listed it. That said, the entire Quadprophenia album is amazing.

Won’t Get Fooled Again (The Kids Are Alright): Listen to the awesome tone he gets and his amazing fills. For a wonderful video of his playing, watch the second DVD that comes with The Kids Are Alright DVD. There is a track of John playing Won’t Get Fooled Again on the “Ox cam”. Here you only see and hear John play.

The entire Live at Leeds album. This is mostly one huge bass solo. Notable songs: Young Man Blues, Summertime Blues, Substitute, and Magic Bus. The powerful tone on Magic Bus should rock your world. Many people attribute Black Sabbath for creating heavy metal but for me it was Live at Leeds. The power and tone of these songs introduced the world to a whole new genre of music.

I believe Eddy Van Halen was given credit for introducing tapping on the guitar but Entwistle was doing it on the bass guitar years before.

From what I read, he was instrumental in creating round wound strings. He approached Rotosound stating that he loved the sound of the lower strings on a piano and he wanted the same metallic sound from his bass.

He was also instrumental in Marshall developing the 100-watt amp (John and Pete Townsend were always competing for loudness). At the time Marshall only had 50-watt amps and The Who needed more.

Sorry for the ramblings. I am a hard core Entwistle fan.
 
Tommythecat99 said:
I know that john entwistle is an extremely good bassist but someone should refresh me on my why hes one of the greatest of all time..sure he has a real bomb bass solo on my generation...and some other real good basslines like on I can see for miles but really whats his best song that would make him a legend??

Live at Leeds and Quadrophenia. Two quite different sides to his playing but both essential listens.
 
It's really hard to pinpoint one song. I second JohnnyMan on Quadrophenia and Live at Leeds. Check out The Who By Numbers and Who's Next are also good places to start.

One thing that gets lost in the perspective of history with John Entwistle and other classic acts is, he was the first one. There was no one before him. His career evolved concurrently with Paul McCartney and James Jamerson and Jack Bruce. He was aware of them, but he was blazing his own trail. There were no boutique bass or amp builders or roundwound strings. He helped pioneer many of those things and helped encourage their mainstream acceptance by his using them. He made the bass a prominent instrument in rock and roll. Heck, Chris Squire bought a Rickenbacker because he saw Entwistle playing one.

He also was always sure to point out that he played bass guitar and always highlighted the guitar-like aspects of the instrument.
 
Although it isn't my favorite Who record, Quadrophenia is pretty much an electric bass concerto. Without the E-man it would have been a joke - too synth-ey and Pete's inexplicably thin, direct guitar sound.

Sonically Live At Leeds has really stood the test of time. That's pretty impressive for a 35 year old record. I think that there are a lot of cool sounds and ideas in the older records (Who Sell Out in particular) that show evolutionary progress and are worth checking out.
 
I agree with all the above, but want to throw out The Who Live at Royal Albert Hall...it's a DVD definitely worth purchasing, and shows Entwistle in a very modern age (albeit, not as modern as 'dead'), with his Status Buzzard and a very recent rig (though not THE most recent, which he never toured with due to his death).

There's a clip during the song 5:15 with a video camera affixed to the headstock of his Buzzard during his bass solo. If that doesn't leave your jaw flaked in several pieces strewn across a few zip codes, I don't know what will...

Entwistle, IMO, is (in rock, anyway) the single most influential player to grace our instrument. Many 'icons' give him credit, where credit is due. Even Bass Player magazine had an entire feature on him with quotes from around the industry as to how influential he was...no other bass player (in rock) has garnered THAT kind of respect after his death. Maybe Sir Paul will, but he's still alive.
 
nysbob said:
Although it isn't my favorite Who record, Quadrophenia is pretty much an electric bass concerto. Without the E-man it would have been a joke - too synth-ey and Pete's inexplicably thin, direct guitar sound...
Quadropheia is a Townsend masterpiece. While Entwhistle contributed his bassmanship, Quadrophenia would still be a masterpiece if another bass player were there instead.
 
JohnnyMan said:
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My Generation: This song introduced the rock music world to the first bass guitar solo.

The Real Me: Once you hear it you will know why I listed it. That said, the entire Quadprophenia album is amazing.

Won’t Get Fooled Again (The Kids Are Alright): Listen to the awesome tone he gets and his amazing fills. For a wonderful video of his playing, watch the second DVD that comes with The Kids Are Alright DVD. There is a track of John playing Won’t Get Fooled Again on the “Ox cam”. Here you only see and hear John play.
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Those 3 EXACTLY! I've watched the Ox cam version of WGFA over and over and still cannot get my mind around everything he's doing.

and greetings JohnnyMan from another Entwistle fan in L'ville!!!