When I saw ZEP in '69 JPJ (and Page) played through Rickenbacker Trans Sonic Amps two each....
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John Paul Jones and Acoustic 360
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svtb15
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- Mar 22, 2004
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Tom Petersson of Cheap Trick owns them now and uses them on bass, although he gutted them and put a new tube heads and electronics in it.
I saw Zep twice in early 70 and both times John Paul Jones, was by then using two Acoustic 360/361s and for a long time after wards as well...Peace...DAcat
I have two 360 heads and one 361 cabinet. I disagree that they sound "bad", quite the opposite! I am not nostalgic for an era I didn't live in, but I prefer their sound to ANY modern bass amp.
John Paul Jones, Larry Graham, Jaco, McCartney/Wings, Bootsy, Tiran Porter = these are some EXCEPTIONALLY GREAT sounding bass parts - even if you only go by the live sound when you can see them use the Acoustic. Maybe you don't like their sounds - then we can agree to disagree. But I think it's an astounding bass tone - when you're playing music.
Mine gets mainly studio use - and not from 30' away! As soon as you plug into it - it has "that sound", like Whole Lotta Love and Heartbreaker, The Jam, etc. It's not bright - I hate tweeters and 10s on bass amps. That's why I prefer classic bass sounds. And these were often bass players as a lead instrument - Larry and Jaco as great examples. I find the treble lacking from the folded 18 cabinet is why it fits well <b>with a band</b>, leaving room for the other while you're still huge and growly. I do not want "pure" and "plain" out of an amp, I want tone and color. Listen to "Whole Lotta Love" and "Takin It To the Streets" - this is the sound that comes automatically from the 361 cabinet.
(Did you ever realize that the bass cabinet can also be turned backward or sideways and totally change that 30' away effect IF you had it and it bothers you?) Bot no front-mounted speaker can will ever have the tone of the 361.
BTW - these "reissues" are either dead-on copies, or they're not reissues. Much as Fender does, they copy something and call it a reissue and people like it - but it's not right, not as good at what people wanted. Most companies (Gibson Fender Marshall) find out ten years later that people WANTED the original exactly - don't "fix" the problems of a plexi Marshall! So they finally make it right - the really accurate Les Paul reissue.
Or make 2 models - one that is stock and one that is "hot rodded". Either way, if the reissue costs more than buyin The Real Vintage One - you're not smart business people.
John Paul Jones, Larry Graham, Jaco, McCartney/Wings, Bootsy, Tiran Porter = these are some EXCEPTIONALLY GREAT sounding bass parts - even if you only go by the live sound when you can see them use the Acoustic. Maybe you don't like their sounds - then we can agree to disagree. But I think it's an astounding bass tone - when you're playing music.
Mine gets mainly studio use - and not from 30' away! As soon as you plug into it - it has "that sound", like Whole Lotta Love and Heartbreaker, The Jam, etc. It's not bright - I hate tweeters and 10s on bass amps. That's why I prefer classic bass sounds. And these were often bass players as a lead instrument - Larry and Jaco as great examples. I find the treble lacking from the folded 18 cabinet is why it fits well <b>with a band</b>, leaving room for the other while you're still huge and growly. I do not want "pure" and "plain" out of an amp, I want tone and color. Listen to "Whole Lotta Love" and "Takin It To the Streets" - this is the sound that comes automatically from the 361 cabinet.
(Did you ever realize that the bass cabinet can also be turned backward or sideways and totally change that 30' away effect IF you had it and it bothers you?) Bot no front-mounted speaker can will ever have the tone of the 361.
BTW - these "reissues" are either dead-on copies, or they're not reissues. Much as Fender does, they copy something and call it a reissue and people like it - but it's not right, not as good at what people wanted. Most companies (Gibson Fender Marshall) find out ten years later that people WANTED the original exactly - don't "fix" the problems of a plexi Marshall! So they finally make it right - the really accurate Les Paul reissue.
Or make 2 models - one that is stock and one that is "hot rodded". Either way, if the reissue costs more than buyin The Real Vintage One - you're not smart business people.
BTW - Zeppelin took the speakers from Fender amps and put them in the Transonic Rick amps for that one tour - they hated the way they sounded. The old cabs still exist and it's one way to tell the Zeppelin rigs, Fender speakers inside. As with Tom Peterssen - they look cool but sound not-so-great without mods.
You know, I just logged on and reviewed my post that generated criticism and ire for not hitting 'return' on my keyboard.
God, I see here that I forgotten that I had grouped my thoughts into perfectly legible, individual, readable paragraphs separated by lots of space. Just noticed that. Wow, maybe I was wrong to do it that way. The thing I noticed that it wasn't hard to read at all!
God, I see here that I forgotten that I had grouped my thoughts into perfectly legible, individual, readable paragraphs separated by lots of space. Just noticed that. Wow, maybe I was wrong to do it that way. The thing I noticed that it wasn't hard to read at all!
This threads been inactive for a while, but since the other Acoustic 360/361 thread was closed due to some kooky antics, I thought that this would be the best place to post. So here, for anyone who is interested, is a newer shot of the Acoustic 360 head. It was recently posted by Vetchking over on the Unofficial ACC board, but since not everybody hangs out over there, thought it would do well with being posted here too.
I'm still mega-Excited for these! WHOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm still mega-Excited for these! WHOOOOOOOOOOO
Thanks for the pic! (I've seen it myself)..
However, until and I mean UNTIL he actually BRINGS something to market, it's a waste of time.
I am well aware that he has several prototypes. I have talked with him numerous times and have talked with players who have played them. Unfortunately, "3 Months" has been something like 5 years now.......
He continually shoots himself in the foot by not bringing these to market (or at least to NAMM).
So, bottom line is simple. I am a fan of the IDEA...However, no product available to the market at large speaks volumes...
However, until and I mean UNTIL he actually BRINGS something to market, it's a waste of time.
I am well aware that he has several prototypes. I have talked with him numerous times and have talked with players who have played them. Unfortunately, "3 Months" has been something like 5 years now.......
He continually shoots himself in the foot by not bringing these to market (or at least to NAMM).
So, bottom line is simple. I am a fan of the IDEA...However, no product available to the market at large speaks volumes...
Sliderbass
Dr. Bass, The best cabinet you'll NEVER own!
... and how long before this pix gets removed? It was posted & removed at least once before. Maybe more.
Oh, I know. You're right, until we see them, out and about, being retailed, it's all for naught. I'm still pulling for it though, as I love the Idea as well, having right proper Acoustics on the market again. (Oh, and he's changed it to "2 months" now.
)Actually, I don't believe this pic will be taken down, this is one he (Vetchking) himself posted only the other day over on the Acoustic board. I don't see why it would be taken down, seeing as he put it up. Here's hoping anyways.
(Oh, and he's changed it to "2 months" now.
So, I guess that he's zeroing in on what? 2 years from now??
Look, I wish him the best, I really do....but I'm an old man and, like I told him, I don't have another 5 or 10 years to wait...
I went with the Ampeg Heritage line and am damn glad I did!
Cheers!
So, I guess that he's zeroing in on what? 2 years from now??
Cheers!
Yeah, no kidding. I'm young, so I have the time to wait!
Here's hoping it's a reality before I get old!
I'd get a new one so that you looked right, then I'd put a GOOD rig next to it - I played through his very amp at a trade show and yes, it was loud... but the amp was not what gave him his tone - he had nice instruments and played well. Those old amps were really not all that...
Huh? Clarification would be appreciated.
....Or..........being tested?
I saw Zep twice in early 70 and both times John Paul Jones, was by then using two Acoustic 360/361s and for a long time after wards as well...Peace...DAcat
About 2 weeks ago I took the VP of ESP guitars (a bass player) to an undisclosed location to show him the JPJ rig we bought at auction. It was like a religious experience for him. We took pictures of him next to it and he looked like a little kid at Christmas. It was great seeing someone appreciate the mojo that this bass amp still has.
Ed O.
