John Paul Jones + Jimmy Page

[58kites]

I can appreciate that opinion on Beck. He certainly can be soulful (for example, 'Cause We've Ended as Lovers, and his covers of Over the Rainbow and Day in the Life that he did in his later live shows). But yeah, he was much more into figuring out what kind of sounds he could get out of a Strat, and could become a slave to his own penchant for trickery.

On the other hand, I admire how Beck stuck to his own vision, even if it cost him financially. I love the idea that the Stones considered Beck when finding a replacement for Mick Taylor. What a mismatch that would have been. (He knew right away he couldn't tolerate Keith's truly sloppy approach for very long and turned them down.) Interestingly, Beck actually recommended his old friend Ronnie Wood for the gig, and the rest is history.

I think Jeff Beck is among the very most talented electric guitar players that has ever gotten famous... but Jeff Beck rarely composed songs that appealed to the general public the same way Jimmy Page did, or Eric Clapton for that matter.
Jimmy Page has also struck gold more times than Clapton did.

Pretty sure Ronnie Wood was already up for consideration before the Stones contacted Jeff Beck.
Ronnie had already recorded and filled in live with the Stones before they invited fifty different guys to come and try out for the open slot.
Rod Stewart and band were not happy about Ronnie moonlighting and it led to the official breakup of the Faces and then the Rolling Stones officially offered him the job that he had been dabbling in. I believe the Stones considered all those other people because Ronnie was still in a band.

Keith Richards may be a sloppy guitar player but he has written more million selling riffs than almost anybody ever.
He also plays in a way that sets him apart from any other famous guitar player.
Most guitar players would give their left nut to have whatever talent it is that Keith has.

 

[dougjwray]

I'm obviously not alone here, but I'll take off the rails "sloppy" Led Zeppelin over about 95% of all rock music ever written by anyone.

If you don't like Led Zeppelin, I'm sorry....I guess rock music just isn't for you.[/QUOTE

That's quite a leap!
I love rock music, and sloppiness makes no difference to me.
For my tastes, it's Cream, the Doors, the original Allman Brothers Band, and, of course, the Beatles.
For some reason, Zep has never done it for me. And I even saw them live at Madison Square Garden in 1970.

 

[dougjwray]

I think Jeff Beck is among the very most talented electric guitar players that has ever gotten famous... but Jeff Beck rarely composed songs that appealed to the general public the same way Jimmy Page did, or Eric Clapton for that matter.
Jimmy Page has also struck gold more times than Clapton did.

Pretty sure Ronnie Wood was already up for consideration before the Stones contacted Jeff Beck.
Ronnie had already recorded and filled in live with the Stones before they invited fifty different guys to come and try out for the open slot.
Rod Stewart and band were not happy about Ronnie moonlighting and it led to the official breakup of the Faces and then the Rolling Stones officially offered him the job that he had been dabbling in. I believe the Stones considered all those other people because Ronnie was still in a band.

Keith Richards may be a sloppy guitar player but he has written more million selling riffs than almost anybody ever.
He also plays in a way that sets him apart from any other famous guitar player.
Most guitar players would give their left nut to have whatever talent it is that Keith has.

Keith said in a recent interview that Beck would have been a bad choice for the Stones because he was not a team player, but a solo artist. I think I read that in Guitar Player a couple of months ago.

 

[Spectrum]

Keith Richards may be a sloppy guitar player but he has written more million selling riffs than almost anybody ever.
He also plays in a way that sets him apart from any other famous guitar player.
Most guitar players would give their left nut to have whatever talent it is that Keith has.

Yeah, Keith is another "sloppy" guitarist who has earned legend status. Page was a successful session musician before Zeppelin so we know he's capable of doing solid studio work, while I don't think anyone has ever accused Keef of being a virtuoso on his instrument. Yet nobody can do what Keith does as well as he does it.

 

[Tim Skaggs]

I have a nephew married in to the family that always wants to talk music with me. In a discussion about LZ, he said that said he thought Page was sloppy and Bonham couldn’t keep time.

I told him that LZ music probably wasn’t his thing, & he said, no, he really liked it, but he was more into Grunge bands.

I said; well, that explains something, I’m just not sure what….

 

[Gluvhand]

I have a nephew married in to the family that always wants to talk music with me. In a discussion about LZ, he said that said he thought Page was sloppy and Bonham couldn’t keep time.

I told him that LZ music probably wasn’t his thing, & he said, no, he really liked it, but he was more into Grunge bands.

I said; well, that explains something, I’m just not sure what….

That he's younger than we are and it doesn't resonate with him the way it does with a lot of people from our generation?

 

[58kites]

I have a nephew married in to the family that always wants to talk music with me. In a discussion about LZ, he said that said he thought Page was sloppy and Bonham couldn’t keep time.

I told him that LZ music probably wasn’t his thing, & he said, no, he really liked it, but he was more into Grunge bands.

I said; well, that explains something, I’m just not sure what….

If he likes grunge bands, neither Kurt or Kim Thayil or Jerry Cantrell or Mike McCready play any cleaner than Jimmy Page.
For that matter, Eddie Van Halen was a virtuoso who could play circles around most people but he did a lot of experimenting (like Jimmy Page did) and some of that makes for little mistakes in between the brilliance.
As far as John Bonham goes, he was not a metronome drummer but I tend to like listening to drummers that shift the dynamics of their playing with the band they are playing with.
Charlie Watts followed Keiths playing (the whole band did) for their whole career together and Keith played how ever he felt, and never gave a crap about it being technically super duper. That band recorded great music for three decades.
And Charlie Watts was a great drummer, and John Bonham was a great drummer....both more interesting to listen to that many drummers who are metronome clean.

 

[ArteK]

So Keith is a bit fascinating to me. I’ve watched videos and movies of him playing at home and he clearly has a lot more chops in his playing than he lets on when playing live with the Stones or the Winos.

it’s almost like playing the more traditional parts is a betrayal to what makes him unique as a guitar player. The slashing swashbuckling rock and roller is almost an affectation. He can play cleaner than he does but chooses not to.

 

[dougjwray]

If he likes grunge bands, neither Kurt or Kim Thayil or Jerry Cantrell or Mike McCready play any cleaner than Jimmy Page.
For that matter, Eddie Van Halen was a virtuoso who could play circles around most people but he did a lot of experimenting (like Jimmy Page did) and some of that makes for little mistakes in between the brilliance.
As far as John Bonham goes, he was not a metronome drummer but I tend to like listening to drummers that shift the dynamics of their playing with the band they are playing with.
Charlie Watts followed Keiths playing (the whole band did) for their whole career together and Keith played how ever he felt, and never gave a crap about it being technically super duper. That band recorded great music for three decades.
And Charlie Watts was a great drummer, and John Bonham was a great drummer....both more interesting to listen to that many drummers who are metronome clean.

And then you have Ringo, a magnificently "compositional" drummer with personality *and* metronomic time.

 

[58kites]

And then you have Ringo, a magnificently "compositional" drummer with personality *and* metronomic time.

I think Ringo Star is a very good drummer and perfect for the Beatles, but I find Charlie Watts drum parts far more interesting.
Charlie also had no trouble keeping perfect time.

 

[dougjwray]

I think Ringo Star is a very good drummer and perfect for the Beatles, but I find Charlie Watts drum parts far more interesting.
Charlie also had no trouble keeping perfect time.

Charlie was one of the greats, but to me, Ringo's parts are more imaginative, and it was because the Beatles' songs were way, way more varied and challenging than the Stones', and he stretched and rose to the occasion.
Just my opinion...

 

[Michedelic]

I have a nephew married in to the family that always wants to talk music with me. In a discussion about LZ, he said that said he thought Page was sloppy and Bonham couldn’t keep time.

I told him that LZ music probably wasn’t his thing, & he said, no, he really liked it, but he was more into Grunge bands.

I said; well, that explains something, I’m just not sure what….

What does he think about Greta Van Fleet?

 

[BadB]

Love 'Zep. It's just that squeaky kick pedal...

 

[Tim Skaggs]

That he's younger than we are and it doesn't resonate with him the way it does with a lot of people from our generation?

I told him that LZ music probably wasn’t his thing, & he said, no, he really liked it, but he was more into Grunge bands.

 

[Tim Skaggs]

What does he think about Greta Van Fleet?

Couldn’t say, we’ve never discussed

 

[Tim Skaggs]

If he likes grunge bands, neither Kurt or Kim Thayil or Jerry Cantrell or Mike McCready play any cleaner than Jimmy Page.

Which was my thought when he said Page was sloppy but he liked grunge. It’s kinda’ like saying the NFL is too violent, still liking it, but preferring Hockey & MMA fighting….