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Jule Amps Monique part 5
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I pull both out, line about 85%, sensitivity between 11 and 2 o'clock depending on my mood and the room on a Lakland passive PJ. Nice growl for me with these settings.
"The Sensitivity knob is a push/pull knob. The push/pull function was originally designed to accommodate the lightest wound passive bass guitars pickups (pulled out) and very high output active pickups (pushed in) with one knob. When that Sensitivity knob is pulled out, you are adding 4db to the overall headroom of the front end of Monique"
Does this mean the sensitivity "pull" is boosting the input signal
"Monique has a built in option to increase the the Line Out level from the original maximum output level of 0db (.775 volts) to more than +4db (1.44 volts). To add the additional 4db to both the Line Output and the Balanced XLR Output just pull out the Line Out knob. Pushed in, Monique is exactly at the original 0db (.775 volt) levels."
And the Line out "pull" is boosting the output signal?
"With the Line Output knob pulled out (+10db), and the extra +4db added when the Sensitivity knob is pulled out, it will be possible to overload some amps, and even some consoles. With this in mind, start out with both the Line Out Level and the Balanced Out Level on Monique turned to zero (CCW). Then turn up to dial in your sweet spot."
Is it +4db or +10db?
Sorry for the questions, I know how to get a good sound and it was instinctive to pull the line out when I plug in a passive or lower output bass.
Does this mean the sensitivity "pull" is boosting the input signal
"Monique has a built in option to increase the the Line Out level from the original maximum output level of 0db (.775 volts) to more than +4db (1.44 volts). To add the additional 4db to both the Line Output and the Balanced XLR Output just pull out the Line Out knob. Pushed in, Monique is exactly at the original 0db (.775 volt) levels."
And the Line out "pull" is boosting the output signal?
"With the Line Output knob pulled out (+10db), and the extra +4db added when the Sensitivity knob is pulled out, it will be possible to overload some amps, and even some consoles. With this in mind, start out with both the Line Out Level and the Balanced Out Level on Monique turned to zero (CCW). Then turn up to dial in your sweet spot."
Is it +4db or +10db?
Sorry for the questions, I know how to get a good sound and it was instinctive to pull the line out when I plug in a passive or lower output bass.
I think the Sensitivity knob boosts certain frequencies of the input signal. It seems to boost the upper mids and the knob changes where and to what degree they are boosted.
The line in also boosts the input signal of the entire frequency range. It boosts the signal before it goes into the EQ section. Then, the sensitivity further boosts certain frequencies of that signal before it goes into the amp.
So the boosts are additive. +10 db to the entire input signal. +4db to certain frequencies of the already boosted input signal. Think of the sensitivity as another EQ knob. No doubt, if you boost the bass, the magnitude of the bass frequencies is going to increase. Same with Sensitivity. It's kind of like some of those tone shaping circuits in other amps.
I'm only asking about the push/pull feature not what happens when you turn the knob, sorry I wasn't clear...
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No wrong. Only what you prefer. Truly.
The Push/Pull Line Level was originally designed to give us all more level (+10db) to drive some of the Bass Amps requiring all that level.
Almost immediately, players began to tell me they occasionally preferred pulling that Line Level out (adding +10db to the signal) and then limiting the overall volume of their performance by cranking back the input of whatever amplifier they are using. Drive Monique hard and roll back the Amplifier volume.
When the Line Level is pulled Out (+10db) the signal is going through an additional tube stage. That is what that Push/Pull Line Level does. Going through another tube adds gain and girth to the note - no matter how hard one tries to design the +10db to be perfectly clean.
With that lesson learned, you see the current configuration of the M700 (and soon to be M2500). A simple (appearing) Bass Amp with a volume control. That allows you to crank up Monique and still adjust the overall volume on the amp. This isn't for everyone, but it is another tool.
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This is exactly how I run my stage setup, by cranking the line pulled out at 85%, and then adjusting my overall stage volume with the M700 amp. I'm hardly ever past 9 o'clock on the M700 with an Audiokinesis H1203 Hathor single 12 in a four piece rock and pop band. I consistently get righteous tone with minimal fiddling with these settings. Jule for the win!
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Questions are great things. I learn a heckuva lot from them. Thank you.
Yes. There is a +4db boost added to the input signal when the Sensitivity is pulled out toward you. This is not only a level increase. Other things are going on, but in doing those things there is a +4db level change.
Yes. The Line Level Push/Pull boosts the Level by +10db when it is pulled out. It is primarily a level increase. It is not designed to increase gain.
My advice for new Monique-Folk is to run the Sensitivity through its full sweep, push it in, pull it out - no matter what bass you are using. There is not a spot in any of that where you are going to go wrong. All that matters is what you prefer. I do understand that this is contrary to how a lot of controls are designed, but it has proven to be good advise.
A former neighbor of mine (guitar player) removed the knobs from his amp and used fingernail polish to hold each pot in place. He removed the knobs to make sure, "nobody copied his tone." The second objective was to make sure everything was exactly the same for every performance. He was a nice enough guy, but I found him a bit sad.
Yes. There is a +4db boost added to the input signal when the Sensitivity is pulled out toward you. This is not only a level increase. Other things are going on, but in doing those things there is a +4db level change.
Yes. The Line Level Push/Pull boosts the Level by +10db when it is pulled out. It is primarily a level increase. It is not designed to increase gain.
My advice for new Monique-Folk is to run the Sensitivity through its full sweep, push it in, pull it out - no matter what bass you are using. There is not a spot in any of that where you are going to go wrong. All that matters is what you prefer. I do understand that this is contrary to how a lot of controls are designed, but it has proven to be good advise.
A former neighbor of mine (guitar player) removed the knobs from his amp and used fingernail polish to hold each pot in place. He removed the knobs to make sure, "nobody copied his tone." The second objective was to make sure everything was exactly the same for every performance. He was a nice enough guy, but I found him a bit sad.
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There is a whole lot to be said for "Minimal fiddling."
My favorite cab for sure...and honestly, no amp/cab mis-matches here...just different flavors of goodness! I've found my Monique sounds best thru the LWA effects return (line level pulled out ^, sensitivity pushed in ^, EQ ^^^)...
Monique thru my XLS2502 is also fantastic, but (and this could just be my GAS-induced imagination) the LWA amp adds a slightly warmer tone vibe...
...which is why I'm thinking it might be time to acquire an M____ amp. @juledude--possibly a matching bamboo shell for the M700 or M2500???
Unfortunately, this cab is not a lot of fun "tossing" into my suv, so I use my Berg HDN's most often...
Monique thru my XLS2502 is also fantastic, but (and this could just be my GAS-induced imagination) the LWA amp adds a slightly warmer tone vibe...
...which is why I'm thinking it might be time to acquire an M____ amp. @juledude--possibly a matching bamboo shell for the M700 or M2500???
Unfortunately, this cab is not a lot of fun "tossing" into my suv, so I use my Berg HDN's most often...
I'm a minimal fussing guy, now.
Monique doesn't need it. Hand position is so evident with Monique, why not use my original tone controls, my hands?
Monique doesn't need it. Hand position is so evident with Monique, why not use my original tone controls, my hands?
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Pretty small increments. The push/pull Line Level +10db boost was the largest change. Small high freq boosts very early on. Different preferences in tubes.
The 700 watt Monique versions and the standalone bass amps (700 and soon-to-be 2500) are obviously different, as regards the amplifier. Monique, in the amplified versions, has every function of every other Monique. No difference.
The amplified Monique versions all have the ability to run three ways: 1. Amplified Monique. 2. Monique preamplifier only. 3. Amplifier only. The idea is to deliver flexible solutions.
As I wrote the previous paragraph I recalled a customer who runs the keyboard through the amplifier of Monique, and at the same time, his bass through the Monique preamplifier to another amp. Kinda cool idea.
My first tube rolling experiment with Monique didn't go so well. I got my hands on a couple of Ampeg branded Sylvania 6SL7s (from a 60s B15) to try out. Unfortunately after installing them, the sound was intermittent and moving or even touching the sensitivity control yielded some nasty (and loud) static - not unlike a bad pot. I suspect a bad contact or poor fit of one of the tubes was to blame. Replacing the stock tubes brought everything back to normal. Time to email Jule to confirm if this is indeed the likely cause, as these tubes were known good last time they were used in another amp.
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How is the Warwick amp? I had an opportunity to play it but with kind of junky cabs and basses. I am shopping for a micro back up amp that will also play nice with Mo. There is an LWA1000 in a local shop for $400. I should probably just wait on an M700 or rack Mo 700 but I just happen to see it today and remember your post, figured it's worth asking.
