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Jule Amps Monique Part III

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No one piece of gear is going to be perfect for everyone - depends on too many variables.

I haven't played a Read but I won't own rack gear since I hate the form factor. I've heard good things about it. What power amp were you running with it?

You should definitely run Monique into the front end of the Puma. There are no right/wrong ways to use it sonically. I didn't dig that setup but you might as I was pretty happy with Monique into the Puma power amp section. That is literally a 15 second experiment - go for it. Also try recording with both preamps, and take different outputs from Monique (line out and DI).

If you don't dig it, you'll be able to sell it quickly on the classifieds. I personally hate to have gear sitting around not getting used but ymmv.
 
Reason why I liked Monique over the Read, both great pre's. I use Spectors with actives and my onboard preamps play better with Monique and as you mentioned the extra eq feature. Also, I noticed a tonal difference running thru various FX loops compared to a stand alone power amp. I have also gotten away from the Crown amps, even with the DSP off I was experiencing tone loss. I like something with a little lower input sensitivity also. You can always try a Sansamp on the pedalboard or eq pedal to bump those mids up and save some cash.
 
Thanks for the replies. I don't think I will be selling Monique because I do really like it and was extremely happy with it on Saturday night, and my sound engineer loved the sound of the DI out. I was just surprised in the difference when using it in conjunction with the Read pre. I just need to play around with it a bit in various configurations and see where it will reside. But I would like to leave Monique last in the chain to take advantage of its DI out.

Nostatic, I was using my Puma 900 as the power amp (fx return), and as I stated in the previos paragraph, it worked wonderfully for me on Saturday night. But I really loved the way the Read pre sounded going into Monique. Quite nice. But you are right, I really need to record everything and give it a good listen back to make a better judgement call.

Instead of using Monique into the Puma, I think I'm going to try the fx send of the Puma into the Monique and see how that sounds. I realize it may not be the optimal impedance match (600 ohm fx send), but it doesn't hurt to give it a shot.
 
Thanks for the replies. I don't think I will be selling Monique because I do really like it and was extremely happy with it on Saturday night, and my sound engineer loved the sound of the DI out. I was just surprised in the difference when using it in conjunction with the Read pre. I just need to play around with it a bit in various configurations and see where it will reside. But I would like to leave Monique last in the chain to take advantage of its DI out.

Nostatic, I was using my Puma 900 as the power amp (fx return), and as I stated in the previos paragraph, it worked wonderfully for me on Saturday night. But I really loved the way the Read pre sounded going into Monique. Quite nice. But you are right, I really need to record everything and give it a good listen back to make a better judgement call.

Instead of using Monique into the Puma, I think I'm going to try the fx send of the Puma into the Monique and see how that sounds. I realize it may not be the optimal impedance match (600 ohm fx send), but it doesn't hurt to give it a shot.

You should not have any difficulty with the FX Send pushing your Monique. She is quite tolerant.
 
I had to send my Demonique back to Jule for repair; dramatic loss of volume and then heavily distorted sound with the line level 3/4 of the way up. Jule was fantastic! He worked with me via long distance to try to trouble shoot, sent me a complete new set of tubes (free), and, when that didn't work, paid for round trip shipping to fix my beloved Demonique! (and got her back to me in time for my gig tonight!).
Jule's level of concern and out-standing customer support is the BEST that I have ever experienced with any builder/manufacturer of musical gear.
He listens to us as consumers AND, most importantly, as bass players.
I would not hesitate to try anything that comes from such a creative and talented mind such as his!
I can't say enough. I'm just blown away by every aspect of my experience with Jule and his Demonique!

I bought a 2nd hand dove cage in the UK. My signal chain started to mess up badly. I mistakenly thought it was the Monique. It was not, but in the troubleshooting process Jule was super gracious. The only thing (and I am not overstating here) he did not offer to do was fly over and nurse her back to health in my house. This for a unit which from me he saw no coin from. Exemplary customer service. After much troubleshooting it turned out to be another piece of kit entirely, but Jule was the bomb throughout the whole process. He stands by his product in a way you hope everyone would but in the real world hardly ever happens. Remember, he was looking after me because I owned one of his creations even though when I bought it he did not get any of the purchase price.
 
Instead of using Monique into the Puma, I think I'm going to try the fx send of the Puma into the Monique and see how that sounds. I realize it may not be the optimal impedance match (600 ohm fx send), but it doesn't hurt to give it a shot.

So essentially use Monique as an effects pedal between the Puma preamp and power amp? Wouldn't be my first choice but go for it. I rant Monique into the front end of the Puma (as an effects pedal before the preamp) and didn't really care for it. As much as I like the Puma as a head, I didn't like the two preamps running together. I much preferred Monique into the effects return, and Monique into Minnie is even better to my ears.

Worth doing the experiment though. Plugging cables around is cheap.
 
So essentially use Monique as an effects pedal between the Puma preamp and power amp? Wouldn't be my first choice but go for it. I rant Monique into the front end of the Puma (as an effects pedal before the preamp) and didn't really care for it. As much as I like the Puma as a head, I didn't like the two preamps running together. I much preferred Monique into the effects return, and Monique into Minnie is even better to my ears.

Worth doing the experiment though. Plugging cables around is cheap.

Funny thing is that if I wouldn't have done the comparison between the Read and Monique, I would have never ventured down this path, because I was really happy how Monique sounded at saturday's gig. But now that I did, the sky is the limit. Honestly that Read pre is something else. It still can hold its own with the big boys. Its a shame its out of production. Who knows what it would have evolved to...

So I did some more comparisons early this morning before leaving for work which is before 7am (my neighbors are just loving me!), all different ways.

I tried plugging directly into the Puma 900 and putting Monique in the fx loop. It worked out really well. It really is rare that piece of gear can play so well in so many different configurations. Monique is an incredible piece of gear. I really liked the way it sounded. I got all the goodness and flexibility of the Puma, and the fatness of Monique. Nice!

Basically I really am splitting hairs here now. Honestly every configuration sounded really good and I would be happy with any of them. If I had to choose a winner for me, I would still say the Read into Monique is the best, but not by far. The Puma with Monique in the fx loop sounded really good too. Perhaps not as thick as the Read, but sounded a bit cleaner, not as dark. But the cool thing is, having the Puma in front, if I want to darken it a bit, just turn the taste knob. A lot of options there.

So for today (haha), I'm leaning towards plugging into the Puma 900 and running Monique in the fx loop (although the true test will be at my next gig). I get the flexibilty of the Puma eq, Monique fat tubeyness, and a pristine DI to boot. I didnt feel like I really lost anything tone wise by doing this, as opposed to going Monique into Puma fx return. And of course not having a rack around is nice too, although after playing with that Read again, I think it will be making an appearance now and again with my Crest Pro power amp.

So one last test which I havent tried yet is Fodera, Monique, crest.

And at some point I will try to record all of these and try to post them as well.

Nostatic, I know you're set on your Monique, Minnie setup, but you should try just for sh*ts and giggles your Monique into the fx return of the Puma, even though you would never use it that way. It is pretty interesting to do. I can also see why you wouldnt like Monique into the Puma front end. I wouldnt want the Puma front end to color the tone of Monique going into it. I think Monique in the fx loop is a better alternative. Try it out.
 
So for today (haha), I'm leaning towards plugging into the Puma 900 and running Monique in the fx loop (although the true test will be at my next gig). I get the flexibilty of the Puma eq, Monique fat tubeyness, and a pristine DI to boot. I didnt feel like I really lost anything tone wise by doing this, as opposed to going Monique into Puma fx return.

Just to clarify, I was not implying that I lost any tone going Fodera, Monique, puma fx return. I meant that I felt I got a similar result putting Monique in the fx return of the Puma because I was still able to use the Monique eq effectively.
 
Nostatic, I know you're set on your Monique, Minnie setup, but you should try just for sh*ts and giggles your Monique into the fx return of the Puma, even though you would never use it that way. It is pretty interesting to do. I can also see why you wouldnt like Monique into the Puma front end. I wouldnt want the Puma front end to color the tone of Monique going into it. I think Monique in the fx loop is a better alternative. Try it out.

I gigged that setup. It works fine. We did an A/B between using Minnie and using the Puma as the power amp and there was a noticeable difference. This was not on a gig (though I have gigged both setups) so not sure how much would come through in that environment.

I did not like Monique into the Puma front end - kinda ruins the vibe of Monique imho.
 
I did not like Monique into the Puma front end - kinda ruins the vibe of Monique imho.

I agree with that too. But I'm not doing that. I'm running the Puma pre before Monique by placing Monique in the fx loop. Totally different.

Fodera -> puma 900 input -> puma 900 fx send into Monique input -> Monique Line out into Puma 900 fx return.
 
Monique with a lean

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And the view from above

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