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Keyboard player quits over jam space rent.

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Yep, it does. I've spent a lot of rent on this hobby over the years. But, after all, that's how most hobbies work.
Yeah. Hence my "culture" comment. If I lived in a city, I'd probably expect to rent space.

Part of it is that I didn't start this hobby until I was 44. By then I was no longer a starving kid in an apartment. The band leader was an architect and had a custom rehearsal room above his garage.
 
He never stated at any point that it was a business. I'm not sure why anyone would have assumed that. Ultimately, we're all in this primarily because we enjoy it, right? Because if money is the only goal, there are better ways of making it.


Lots of people like being able to store their gear at a rehearsal space, and go there any time of day that they want, play as loud as they want, without the cops being called. Lots of us who live in urban areas do this.

I live in a tiny apartment and really it wouldn't be possible for me to play my rig in it, let alone rehearse there.


I totally agree with this post... except for the keeping the key player part.

A member getting a free ride not because he can't pay the rent that everyone else is paying, but because he won't, will cause resentment and division down the line. Key players are not that hard to find. Not as easy as guitarists, but probably the next most common.

I understand many people might like the 24/7 access to rehearsal space, but there are those who need it (drummers with acoustic drums) and those who don't need it (singers, keyboard players, etc). And it comes down to each person's living situation. The drummer might own a house and keep a spare kit in his basement. The 24/7 access premium is just something that not everyone in the band needs/wants. So if one guy "needs" it to practice daily after work because he lives in an apartment, but no one else in the band goes there except for band practices, then everyone would be paying that premium cost for the benefit of one guy.

In any case, it would be a point of discussion for the band as a whole to weight against other options that might have cheaper rent.
 
Yeah. Hence my "culture" comment. If I lived in a city, I'd probably expect to rent space.

Part of it is that I didn't start this hobby until I was 44. By then I was no longer a starving kid in an apartment. The band leader was an architect and had a custom rehearsal room above his garage.
Nice! The concept of starting out after being established is almost foreign to me. I can totally understand practicing/rehearsing in your own home. I do it every now and then, though renting in a central location is ideal for a group made primarily of urbanites. Cheers.
 
Edit - if you have two really good lead-capable vocalists (now a 5 piece) there's plenty of good material out there to choose from that you really don't need keyboards anyway. Nice plus to have but not a necessity, plus one less person to split income with.

Agree. I'm in a band with a voc/guitar who also plays keys like nobody's business. He brought the keys to one rehearsal but eventually decided to convert all key parts to guitar (we have a second guitarist). We are even doing "Never Tear Us Apart" by INXS and you'd never miss the keys.
 
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I actually almost asked that very question in my post. Makes sense.

I'm actually putting up a 36x36x10 shop/garage/mancave/band rehearsal building next spring for this exact sort of thing. But we can do that out here. $17,000 with no permits.

My uncle has a couple of acres of property, and this summer he bought an old school portable and put it in his yard away from the house to convert into a man cave. All i could think was how great of a rehearsal space it would be. His son in law works for the local school board and got it for 3 grand, delivered and set up. I wish i had the property for one.
 
Depends where you live. the last time I paid for rehearsal space (to have your own and not share), 400 was on the low end for the market. I want to say the space we briefly had was 600
Yep it all depends on where you live. In Michigan we always built studios in someone's house or basement. Here in Southern California no one can afford houses or basements (at least no one I know) so we have to rent rehearsal spaces :/
 
Nice! The concept of starting out after being established is almost foreign to me. I can totally understand practicing/rehearsing in your own home. I do it every now and then, though renting in a central location is ideal for a group made primarily of urbanites. Cheers.
I played in one band where this guy was a real poser guitar player but he had a fairly good income. He had put a full rehearsal space in his dailight basement complete with completely separate interior walls and ceiling. The doorway was like an 18" long mini-hallway into the room with a door on . The band could be blasting in there and you could have a nice quiet game of 8-Ball in the room right outside the door.
My uncle has a couple of acres of property, and this summer he bought an old school portable and put it in his yard away from the house to convert into a man cave. All i could think was how great of a rehearsal space it would be. His son in law works for the local school board and got it for 3 grand, delivered and set up. I wish i had the property for one.
When I lived in the Seattle area I always wished I had property to add a garage to my house. It seemed like an unattainable goal. Now I'm sitting on 32 acres and a house, barn, shed, two streams, LOTS of sellable timber and soon the new building. And the funny thing is it cost half as much as my house in Seattle. And the annual real estate taxes are less than a car payment.

As a person about to retire, it's part of the reason I moved here.
 
I played in one band where this guy was a real poser guitar player but he had a fairly good income. He had put a full rehearsal space in his dailight basement complete with completely separate interior walls and ceiling. The doorway was like an 18" long mini-hallway into the room with a door on . The band could be blasting in there and you could have a nice quiet game of 8-Ball in the room right outside the door.

When I lived in the Seattle area I always wished I had property to add a garage to my house. It seemed like an unattainable goal. Now I'm sitting on 32 acres and a house, barn, shed, two streams, LOTS of sellable timber and soon the new building. And the funny thing is it cost half as much as my house in Seattle. And the annual real estate taxes are less than a car payment.

As a person about to retire, it's part of the reason I moved here.

Hmmm. Hadn't thought about retiring to Kentucky.
 
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I recently got a spot in a band with a regular rehearsal space. Prior to the audition, they told me that if I got the gig, the monthly contribution was XX, and that the band expected to be gigging X times a month at a minimum of X dollars per person per gig. It made the decision really easy, and I appreciated being told prior to either side perhaps wasting time.
 
My uncle has a couple of acres of property, and this summer he bought an old school portable and put it in his yard away from the house to convert into a man cave. All i could think was how great of a rehearsal space it would be. His son in law works for the local school board and got it for 3 grand, delivered and set up. I wish i had the property for one.

Can barely get a decent shed built here for that much!
 
$400.00 is high for a rental space. But it should have been mentioned at audition. No Pay-No Play. I would not let him slide.
No it isn't. It's actually extremely low, at least in my area. You're unlikely to find a rehearsal studio that can even fit a full band for that or less, here. Finding one that's not already occupied? Basically impossible.

You haven't tried to find a good keyboard player... they are RARE in my area. Probably because they can do all kinds of solo gigs reading jazz charts, etc...
Not around here. Keyboardists aren't as easy to find as guitarists, but they're not far behind.
 
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Yes with me not working at the moment as a stay at home Dad , my finances are limited and I dont claim any benefits . maybe he just couldnt meet the required amount every week and rather than getting into an embarrassing situation he bowed out . as for making cash it should be pointed out that even playing 2 gigs a month , remember split between 6 isnt going to be a great deal and he may have wanted to sink the cash made into other things . rent childcare fuel etc... I would call him and sit down and ask what the reason was and if no middle ground can be met then as suggested before , Id leave it as a 5 . Im my band , Im covering some of the piano parts on bass and so far no issues . we are lucky , we rehears in the BL home and sometimes go to a local studio that works out at around £5 each for the session .
 
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