And that is as it should be. You got your thing going and more power to you.
My only suggestion would be to echo what others have said, be up front about it next time.
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My only suggestion would be to echo what others have said, be up front about it next time.
More money than you have put in? Unless that number invested is a fractional amount when compared to the output, IT IS A HOBBY.
COmpare it to the amount of gas you spend to get to your job and that paycheck.
Covering a few hundred in expenses with a couple of thousand annually split 4 ways, is a hobby.
You had me up until that statement.
The keyboard player recognized this, you did not.
perhaps keys has another reason and using rent issue as cover. having said that, around here ( sf bay ) a monthly share of less than $100 for a comfortable, secure, rehearsal space with access 24/7 for optional individual practice in a more or less safe neighborhood would be considered a very fair deal. very fair.
I've been in this situation before.
If the new member doesn't want to pay rent, then he/she does not get to store any gear there, and will not be issued a key for the space. If they are ok with that, then everyone wins.
If the new member doesn't want to pay rent, then he/she does not get to store any gear there, and will not be issued a key for the space. If they are ok with that, then everyone wins.
Dude's a load. Let him keep walking. If you covered his rehearsal space rent share he'd find something else to b*tch about in the future.
I wouldnt say we were making lots. Lol. But it was doing ok.
As far as the switch, i think we felt we needed a change. We are all over 40 and reality is, we arent going to "make it" with our originals, so we decided to be a bit more laid back and have fun with this.
Being a cover band also affords us an opportunity for weekend gigs closer to home. The original gigs were generally during the week, downtown Toronto. Traffic is always a nightmare.
You mean a hobby photo.
I hear you. The difference then is business vs. hobby, not "one is a band and one is not." My band rehearses weekly, gigs about 6 - 8 times a year, has chipped in for band gear (mixing board, subwoofer, monitors, etc), and (usually) gets paid to play. When you consider all the outlays vs the income, however, I can say we are not a business. But we are a band.
I was under the impression if you're in with a group of people who share the same artistic vision, and are working towards bringing that vision into reality, you had a band.
If the band was looking to hire itself out or make money off its endeavors, the band also has a business venture going.
But whether it's making money, breaking even, or losing money has no bearing on the band being a band. Because if financial profitability is the sole deciding factor, 90% of the symphony orchestras and virtually 100% of every established ballet company would have to be called a hobby. Because very few of them would exist without the heavy patronage they receive in the form of contributions and grants. They've all been losing money - and we're talking big money - for decades.
Some bands have a successful business. Others don't. They're still bands in my book.
Some people say they want to "join a band" when they're really seeking is paid employment.
You say tomAto, I say toMAHto. It's all in how you define things. And I think how you choose to define things only establishes where we're each personally coming from. Not some cosmic or eternal truth.
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Sadly some people need to minimize what you have accomplished in order to make themselves feel better about themselves.
Sounds to me like he was looking for an excuse to leave anyway and he saw this as his out.
I actually quit a "band" once when we moved from free practice space to renting a spot (I stayed a couple months). The key difference was that this was a new band with no gigs on the horizon, and I wasn't going to lose money indefinitely. In this case, I think the keys player over reacted and you're probably better off without him
Depends where you live. the last time I paid for rehearsal space (to have your own and not share), 400 was on the low end for the market. I want to say the space we briefly had was 600
I've never been in a band that paid for rental space. It's a principle thing for me. It's just cultural. If I was in a band to make "serious" money, of course it would be a dollars and cents decision. But as a hobbyist, nope.
I'd have been that keyboard player. I would have been a bit disappointed that it was not brought up in the beginning. But I'd also have asked, "gosh, who's paying for this cool rehearsal space?" And when I found out where the money came from, I'd have opted out before joining.
But again, it's a cultural thing. A lot of people just see it as part of being in a band. I've been in suburban and rural areas so it's never been necessary. There is always a garage or a shop or even a large room in someone's house.
I'd have been that keyboard player. I would have been a bit disappointed that it was not brought up in the beginning. But I'd also have asked, "gosh, who's paying for this cool rehearsal space?" And when I found out where the money came from, I'd have opted out before joining.
But again, it's a cultural thing. A lot of people just see it as part of being in a band. I've been in suburban and rural areas so it's never been necessary. There is always a garage or a shop or even a large room in someone's house.
He never stated at any point that it was a business. I'm not sure why anyone would have assumed that. Ultimately, we're all in this primarily because we enjoy it, right? Because if money is the only goal, there are better ways of making it.
Lots of people like being able to store their gear at a rehearsal space, and go there any time of day that they want, play as loud as they want, without the cops being called. Lots of us who live in urban areas do this.
I live in a tiny apartment and really it wouldn't be possible for me to play my rig in it, let alone rehearse there.
I totally agree with this post... except for the keeping the key player part.
A member getting a free ride not because he can't pay the rent that everyone else is paying, but because he won't, will cause resentment and division down the line. Key players are not that hard to find. Not as easy as guitarists, but probably the next most common.
Has the most important question been asked yet? Is he a keyboard player? Or is he a keyboardist?
For those of us who live in urban areas, and play in loud bands, it's a necessity.
i pay for a practice space. when everything is said and done i doubt I break even by the end of the year. what is awesome is that music is my hobby and i am in a band. the very definition of band has no reference to income/money.
these threads definitely bring out the wankers.
these threads definitely bring out the wankers.
I actually almost asked that very question in my post. Makes sense.
I'm actually putting up a 36x36x10 shop/garage/mancave/band rehearsal building next spring for this exact sort of thing. But we can do that out here. $17,000 with no permits.
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