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Killing defenseless animals (do musicians hunt?)

#61
sloasdaylight said:
I'm surprised it took close to 3 whole pages before the first self righteous anti-hunter comments came out.
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Well, we live in a protected and providing society that allows people to close their eyes to the realities of life (as they eat their Big Mac and buy a new belt) and thus can get on a false morality trip, which itself does not hold up in nature as nature, the world, will kill them without a second thought or drop of remorse.

And if someone finds themselves in the real world and have to fend for themselves, meat gets real important real quickly. Oh yeah, a young fawn or other young or disabled animal is easier to catch and eat, which of course = survival.

We are of no more worth to nature than a rock or any other organism or a stalactite formation. We live and struggle like all living things---and we are real good at it!

Another thing: I think we need to take those dirty chimps in hand also---they actually plan killing raids on other chimps and monkeys--and not just for food either.

BTW: I'm surprised it took close to three pages before the 1st
self-righteous anti-hunter comments came out.

Have a great f'in day.
 
#62
Relic said:
lol yep, surprised me too.

The whole "hunting bambi" thing cracks me up. It's as though animals never die in the wild until evil evil man comes along and kills one. You know,there's no such thing as a deer being torn to shreds and eaten by wolves...there's no such thing as a raccoon getting into a bird's nest and eating the babies... why, there's noooo such thing as one animal killing another at all. Nope. None of that happens in the wild. All animals are immortal and living in a nirvana of absolute peacen health and harmony until some "self righteous wimp" comes along with a gun and "murders" one.. which ironically by some sort of strange twist of fate is usually a far less traumatic death then being shredded to death by wolves. But whatever :p
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you really don't get the hardships faced by those on our left coast....out in the wilds of vancouver canuckistan the wily tofu-treehuggeratis is a formidable prey.....vancouverites brave the savage "clean up on aisle 6",or the dreaded "this coupon is expired sir" to hunt these beasts, bean curd can be deadly as quicksand,and i heard that over hunting in joisey has decimated the free range soy herds.........shame on you sir
 
#64
I didn't read the whole thread. I'm not a hunter but I'd like to say that I don't consider game defenseless. Nature has equipped game with all kinds of senses and instincts that counteract any advantage a hunter might have. Also licenses, and rules and regulations further to level the playing field. Otherwise you'd have a hard time calling hunting a sport.
 
#65
warwick.hoy said:
I didn't read the whole thread. I'm not a hunter but I'd like to say that I don't consider game defenseless. Nature has equipped game with all kinds of senses and instincts that counteract any advantage a hunter might have. Also licenses, and rules and regulations further to level the playing field. Otherwise you'd have a hard time calling hunting a sport.
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me neither......if you add it all up it costs more to shoot it than it does to buy it....i do reserve my respect for hunters that seek a clean kill,and use the animal.....drunks who go out and shoot everything that moves and leave it go to waste are not hunters to me.....
 
#66
Jim Campbell said:
you really don't get the hardships faced by those on our left coast....out in the wilds of vancouver canuckistan the wily tofu-treehuggeratis is a formidable prey.....vancouverites brave the savage "clean up on aisle 6",or the dreaded "this coupon is expired sir" to hunt these beasts, bean curd can be deadly as quicksand,and i heard that over hunting in joisey has decimated the free range soy herds.........shame on you sir
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haha! Thanks, that made my morning!
 
#68
Despite my reputation this was not a bait thread to start fights over hunting. I searched OT and found that the topic had been discussed before and only a couple times turned into a crapshow. I just wanted to hear some good hunting talk.

IN response to a few I have seen: I don't regard animals as defenseless either really, that was a joke. I do see people's distaste for trophy hunting, but appreciate that those that don't do it are respectful to those that do. I enjoy hunting for food, and you can't eat antlers, but I have no issue with keepinga good rack if its there. IN a state that requires me to shoot an antlered deer (for the most part) I really have no choice. I am amazed by the fact that so called environmentalists who hate hunting tend to know absolutely nothing about nature, spend no time in it, and get their perception of wild animals from seeing them at a distance on a well groomed hiking trail or from Disney movies. Show me a good responsible hunter and I will show you a true conservationists with deep respect for nature, and someone who regards slobby hunting with as much disdain as any non hunter ever could.

We don't hunt like wild animals, this is true, but our hunting is totally natural. If we are to agree that humans are simply evolutionarily created animals, than outr technology is just as natural as a hunting tool as claw, horn or tooth. WE do take out the best, but we also do not eliminate hundreds of weaker animals, we limit ourselves to what game we take (if we are hunters and not poachers). We could easily eradicate the entire deer population if we so chose, and it is becasue of our love of hunting that subsitance hunting is no longer practiced here.

And I have a strong desire to go to a state with 60+ deer per square mile at least once in my life.
 
#70
I don't hunt and never have, but my second-favourite dream involves bailing out on civilized society for a few months or years by hitting the rivers and backwoods of northern Canada in a canoe, with only a crossbow and an acoustic guitar to keep me company. The first-favourite, of course, involves a major record deal, several world tours, and retiring at thirty with a harem of groupies in a large house made entirely of $1,000 bills.

As to the anti-hunting contingent:
A: Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.
B: You don't like meat, that's cool, but I don't like turnips.
C: Animals eat animals. Humans = animals. Animals have natural weapons, i.e. teeth and claws. We have natural weapons, i.e. large brains and opposable thumbs, which give rise to bows and guns. I fail to see the disconnect.

And lastly, to the hunting contingent:
I personally feel that using firearms to hunt animals like deer, rabbit, moose, squirrel etc to be somewhat unsporting - if it were me, I'd prefer to use a bow or crossbow. Then again, I also consider bowhunting dangerous game to be criminally foolish, so there you have it. It's all in where you're standing.
 
#72
aborgman said:
Mexico - 150" rack, 120 pound deer.

Michigan - 100" rack, 200+ pound deer.
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Easy enough to understand.
1.The Mex Deer eats well cuz it can afford it with all the drug money coming from the north.
2.The Michigan Deer eats poorly cuz it does not have enough money to eat well. It's dough went south and it cannot find a job to earn enough to make up for it.

PS: we ARE talking bucks, yes? Or is it big-boobed does?
 
#73
MEKer said:
Easy enough to understand.
1.The Mex Deer eats well cuz it can afford it with all the drug money coming from the north.
2.The Michigan Deer eats poorly cuz it does not have enough money to eat well. It's dough went south and it cannot find a job to earn enough to make up for it.

PS: we ARE talking bucks, yes? Or is it big-boobed does?
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Mexican deer have big antlers and tiny bodies. Like dogs with a giant rack.

Michigan deer have similar sized racks at a similar age (but they all get shot at 1.5-2.5yo), but weigh twice as much.

Bergmann's rule and all that.
 
#74
aborgman said:
Mexican deer have big antlers and tiny bodies. Like dogs with a giant rack.

Michigan deer have similar sized racks at a similar age (but they all get shot at 1.5-2.5yo), but weigh twice as much.

Bergmann's rule and all that.
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I always thought that the reason deer racks are smaller in Michigan have to do with the woods they live in, is very close so big racks will be a pain, while in Mexico and Texas deer live in wide open areas, this is if we apply Darwin's theory that will also explain the smaller bodies for deer from North of Mexico where is not much food and a bigger body will be hard to maintain. To me racks is the main reason for hunting, its the trophy, is like competition, we would not shot a deer with a crappy rack, smaller bodies also helps so you have less meat to eat that is good for me because IMO deer meat sucks.
 
#76
Jonyak said:
My dog almost caught a turkey yesterday.

it got caught in out fenced area and she was so close.

do you think it would be considered poaching if she were to kill it and I was to eat it? :)
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Not likely they would pursue poaching (at least they are relatively understanding in Maine) but you can be held accountable and levied a large fine. MY friend's dog has killed a couple of deer in it's life and,well...we went to school with a local warden. Probably helped.
 
#77
pedroims said:
I always thought that the reason deer racks are smaller in Michigan have to do with the woods they live in, is very close so big racks will be a pain, while in Mexico and Texas deer live in wide open areas, this is if we apply Darwin's theory that will also explain the smaller bodies for deer from North of Mexico where is not much food and a bigger body will be hard to maintain.
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Nope.

Prime thing when it comes to rack size is age. Deer don't reach their peak until about 5.5 years old.

In Michigan we shoot ~75% of the 1.5 year old bucks in the state every year... so a buck that is more than 2.5 years old is exceedingly rare.

Body size is based on both food resources and latitude. Even a Texas whitetail raised on a game farm will never get near the weight of a big northern whitetail. Like I said - Bergmann's rule.

It's the same reason that Neanderthal was shorter, but significantly heavier, than Homo Sapiens.

It has to do with the ratio of volume to surface area.

The biggest whitetail ever shot was in Minnesota in 1926. It weighed 405 pounds field dressed (500 pound estimated live weight).

pedroims said:
To me racks is the main reason for hunting, its the trophy, is like competition, we would not shot a deer with a crappy rack, smaller bodies also helps so you have less meat to eat that is good for me because IMO deer meat sucks.
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Heh... I LOVE Venison. My family ate three deer over the last year.

Just shot a nice 100lb doe this morning.

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#78
pedroims said:
To me racks is the main reason for hunting, its the trophy, is like competition, we would not shot a deer with a crappy rack, smaller bodies also helps so you have less meat to eat that is good for me because IMO deer meat sucks.
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I know alot of people who feel the same way about venison, and I used to think the same as well. But it's just like any other food... you just have to know have to prepare it. Now I LOVE it. If you take the time to make it right, it's very, very good.
 

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