No, it doesn't. It proves only that BB turned down the gig. All you have is speculation. Might someone else have taken the gig? Certainly. Might Gene have decided to play it himself? Absolutely. Were you there? Nope, so you don't know what happened, and nor do I, but to speculate based on a single negative report is at least disingenuous.
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KISS going micro???
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So even a lighthearted thread about Kiss, of all things has to turn into a nit picking downer fest 
So... Gene (bass) wants to make a solo album and instead of play bass by himself, which would at least seem obvious, asks another bass player to ghost (not to play and get credited for it) on the album. To me it would already be enough.....
Then "the ghost" turns down the offer and Gene decides to play bass himself?
I strongly believe that G called another ghost since if he considered himself skills enough to do it by himself he would not have called the 1st one at the beginning.... and we are talking about BASS GHOSTING ON A BASS PLAYER'S "SOLO" ALBUM!!!!!!
Who is disingenuous between us?
With all due respect,
M.
Then "the ghost" turns down the offer and Gene decides to play bass himself?
I strongly believe that G called another ghost since if he considered himself skills enough to do it by himself he would not have called the 1st one at the beginning.... and we are talking about BASS GHOSTING ON A BASS PLAYER'S "SOLO" ALBUM!!!!!!
Who is disingenuous between us?
With all due respect,
M.
So I guess it also means you won't listen to singers who record songs written by others ?
I was going to make a snide remark, but realized that it was pointless. Nothing I can say will make you understand what I'm driving at, and it's obvious. Whether that's intentional, I won't speculate. I will point out, though, that disingenuous doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
Bass_Pounder,
I do listen to singers singing songs they did not write; I play bass parts that I did not write; but between being a "GHOST" and a "GUEST" on and album there's a big undeniable difference.
M.
I do listen to singers singing songs they did not write; I play bass parts that I did not write; but between being a "GHOST" and a "GUEST" on and album there's a big undeniable difference.
M.
tekdiver500ft,
forgive me if it seemed so, but I had no intention to be rude to you or to your posts; I am Italian and I encounter difficulties in explaining what I mean.... a better knowledge of english would surely help, but believes me, no offence against you was in my intention.... We simply do not share the same opinion on the subject,
Marco ;-)
forgive me if it seemed so, but I had no intention to be rude to you or to your posts; I am Italian and I encounter difficulties in explaining what I mean.... a better knowledge of english would surely help, but believes me, no offence against you was in my intention.... We simply do not share the same opinion on the subject,
Marco ;-)
People not playing on their albums is more common than most people realize. There are a lot of great studio musicians out there that fill that role and help produce a better sounding product with less studio costs. No shame in running a business efficiently.
Behind any successful band is a business entity that consumes a lot of time and energy. People make contributions where they are needed. Laying down tracks often means long periods of sitting around waiting for your turn to come up. With hectic schedules it can be difficult to set aside time.
I know that this slams in the face of artistic integrity but, truth be told, being on stage and making lots of money is more important for most. With some exceptions, true artists dedicated solely to their craft are often poor. Some great painters used to rough out their works and have other artists finish the work for them. It takes a lot more to be financially successful.
Behind any successful band is a business entity that consumes a lot of time and energy. People make contributions where they are needed. Laying down tracks often means long periods of sitting around waiting for your turn to come up. With hectic schedules it can be difficult to set aside time.
I know that this slams in the face of artistic integrity but, truth be told, being on stage and making lots of money is more important for most. With some exceptions, true artists dedicated solely to their craft are often poor. Some great painters used to rough out their works and have other artists finish the work for them. It takes a lot more to be financially successful.
It may be possible that Gene liked Babbitt's playing and wanted him on the album, and when he said no, Simmons just played it himself?
I agree wit Babbitt's point about the bass tone of Motown, but the picks comment? Low.
I agree wit Babbitt's point about the bass tone of Motown, but the picks comment? Low.
This thread has some JUICE! I'll take this potency of opinion over GENESUXEFFUUUUULOL anyday. But ever since someone brought up Uriah Heep I have this image of my head where someone brings up a non-loving point about Kiss and then all the Kiss fans crank up the "la-lalala-la" part from Invalid Link Removed and just stick their tongues out...maybe let a little blood drool out too...
Thank you very much for doing exactly what I asked people not to do.So mush gushy Kiss love here. I gotta provide a counterpoint:
I remember being an adolescent, looking at the makeup and thinking to myself..............really?????
Carry on
And that goes for the rest of you, too. There is to be no Gene-bashing in my formerly awesome thread, or I shut it down and you guys will have to go find another thread to ruin with your bloviating.
I was 12 when KISS hit it big in '75. It was a genius combo of Rock n Roll, comic book superheroes and something to drive the parents crazy. So yeah, depending on your generation, feelings about KISS are going to vary. I have great, priceless memories of them in the '70's. Had I been older, I would have found it dumb,younger I would have missed out on the "cool" years.
Some of us were lucky to be at the right age at the right time. Nobody is claiming that they were virtuosos, just that KISS was a big source of enjoyment. Don't knock it!
Some of us were lucky to be at the right age at the right time. Nobody is claiming that they were virtuosos, just that KISS was a big source of enjoyment. Don't knock it!
And for the record, Gene had a studio bassist come in and play a few songs later on in their career, like on the Dynasty and Unmasked album. And I believe that some of the tracks on his solo album were played by others. Those are the only instances in KISStory (sorry) that I have ever heard of Gene being replaced. I have never once heard of Ace playing bass on any of their albums, and up until the point of Dynasty/Unmasked, I never once heard of anyone else except Gene playing bass. If you guys can name specific examples of songs he didn't play, that's cool, but there is no way that you can tell me Gene didn't play bass on the first albums up to Love Gun.
Yeah I heard the Monkees didn't play on all their tracks...
And, who was it?...Milli Vanilli, that didn't even sing?...Who knew?
Well don't forget about the Partridge Family as well. I think that it was Carol Kaye that played on some of the Monkees tracks.
Buddy Holley wanted his own band when he was making his first record. They told him that it wasn't done that way. Jimmy McGuinn had the same problem when the Byrds went to record, they let him play in the end. George Martin brought in a session drummer to replace Ring on the first version of Love Me Do and later Clapton played lead on While My Guitar Gently Weeps.
There's been a long history of session players helping out when needed.
Buddy Holley wanted his own band when he was making his first record. They told him that it wasn't done that way. Jimmy McGuinn had the same problem when the Byrds went to record, they let him play in the end. George Martin brought in a session drummer to replace Ring on the first version of Love Me Do and later Clapton played lead on While My Guitar Gently Weeps.
There's been a long history of session players helping out when needed.
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