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Kitchy music venues to avoid

Let's clarify: cruises on Disney lines or similar, whether overgrown amusement parts or essentially floating casinos, not cruises that actually go somewhere on Cunard ships named after dead English queens.
Right. My wife and I dream of doing an Alaska cruise someday, and I get the appeal of such an excursion. Floating casinos/amusement parks....not so much...
 
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I live north of Branson. Unfortunately, I agree with all the above. I have grown up and seen it from all sides, including when I lived and worked there for a bank, in neighboring communities where the high schools sports played each other, to playing in shows, to, well, never mind:
1) when it was a small town just after Table Rock Dam was built and Silver Dollar City was a cute theme park with Marvel cave - a real cave walking tour;
2) the start of the two "family" music/comedy shows, Presleys and Baldknobbers
3) as it grew in the '80's to try to be the alternate family destination and big names moved in and built theaters, necessitating more infrastructure
4) rough times after that, to the point new items such as "Ozark Mountain Christmas" and an almost unhealthy pandering to veterans to get their tourist dollars became a thing to fill in time between the historic shutdown from October to March
5) to full-year-round tourist trap.
Yes, there are still a few good shows, but everything will have marketing attached, both before, during intermissions, and afterwards on your way out.
Not to mention the already established ‘Lake Of The Ozarks’ recreational region, which had been a draw to the southern mid-state area for decades previous. For those not familiar, it is a sizable man-made lake/reservoir, created to generate electric power, with an anchor town that grew around Bagnell Dam which makes it all possible. It wasn’t exactly a WPA project, like the Tennessee Valley Authority, but serves the same purpose.

Initially drawing vacationers from KC, were I was, and St. Louis, scores of high-end resorts sprung up throughout the 50’s and 60’s, along with weekend getaway residences. My parents always knew someone who “had a place at the lake”, and when I was a kid we went down and stayed at a resort, but the music there was a third rate lounge band. I did see a rock band from St. Lou banging out Cream songs at a place on the tourist trap strip at the dam, but yes there were also these “country jamboree” hillbilly venues dotted throughout the area.

A bit of trivia, there was a Kansas City area native, Paul Henning, who worked in local media there, including industrial film production, before migrating out to Hollywood. On a camping trip to the Branson area, which supposedly included his mother-in-law, he came up with the premise for a TV show. Now, I have no idea what incident in particular sparked this idea, and oil fields are primarily way to the west, across the state line in Oklahoma, but I’m sure most of you have heard of the poor mountaineer who one day was shooting at some food…
 
No desire to visit those places....

Funny how some places become the "in" place to vacation....whether it an amusement park, sardine cruises, tourist shakedown cities, etc... All the 'cool' people I know vacation at xxxxxxxxx so I will vacation there too...

Can't fault the proprietors.... They have to eat too, maintain physical plant, make payroll, and pay bills, etc... It's biz so you can't blame em.... Folks will bitch and moan about the prices at Diz and such.....and go there every year.... To me, it's really not ridiculous pricing for what is there which is massive... We have vacationed there when the kids were little and stayed on the property. It was nice....expensive but they respond on a grand scale if you have a question/need/etc... That being said, it is a biz, first and foremost, and they are good at it....

All of those places are no different than say, the restaurant biz. What is the difference in a $45 steak and a $100 like steak? The experience...
"Well it costs more so it's better." Well, sorry but no. Unrelated. Folks will go to a high end place and order a burger w/ fries...so they can be 'cool' and tell folks where they had dinner last night... because the 'cool crowd' goes there.

I enjoy finer restaurants at times because of the peace and quiet... The Bufordry tends to frequent lesser rated establishments. No non-housebroke there.... Nice to have a nice quiet dinner with family in a nice environment. I'll happily pay for that. That's not to say I won't hit a Waffle House in a New York heartbeat for cheezy eggs platter or such.... It's just not on my list for a nice quiet family dinner as we are rarely together in one place... I'd rather not be tempted to give a W.H. cashier my name and address so they can bill me for the plate glass window that is about to be in the way of some Buford mid trajectory.

A full blown tourist shakedown city/park attracts all kinds of folks, including Bufords.... Good for them. I'd rather go fishing at the lake....and stay as far away from the beach for the same issues as above... We do go to one little area at the beach, stay in a family (gasp. Yes there are some, few, but do still exist) hotel that does nothing on the interwebz, walk to local beach cafes within 100yds, etc... Quiet...No monster condo clutter/traffic on both sides....and no, I'm not spilling the beans where. Can sit on the balcony or deck and maybe ten folks on the beach behind the hotel...and they are there for the same reason we are....and they don't tell either...

Places spend millions to convince you that their place is where the cool folks go....

Not busting on folks, just is.
 
I'm taking a road trip and decided to stop by Branson, Missouri. I've heard it's a big "music town." Turned out to be a total tourist trap. I picked one show to watch -- a musical review of "Top Country Music." The venue, Americana Theatre, was a tired, worn looking place inside and for a Wednesday night 8:00pm only about 50-75 people were in the audience that could have held 600. My ticket was about $45 for a two-hour show. While the music was to be famous country songs, the billing did not advertise the musicians' names but implied they were accomplished on their own rights.

The show began with a 15 minute warm up by a married couple who also were musicians in the show. Most of it was pitching us on the wonderful shows in Branson. Then the music started. There were four singers: two male, two female, and all had great voices. One male singer played lead electric guitar, keyboard, and harmonica. The other male singer played acoustic rhythm guitar. A third male didn't sing, but played excellent steel pedal, electric fiddle, and some electric guitar. There was a guy playing drums hidden behind some kind of barrier. Neither of the two female singers played an instrument. The music was pretty good, too loud, and during the first song I wondered: WHERE IS THE BASS?? I could hear it but not see the person playing it. Songs changed, and the tone of the bass changed from electric to double bass, etc. Huge fail. It was a BASS BACKING TRACK. What a disappointment!

The show continued for 45 minutes, then there was another 10 minutes or so of pitching us to buy their mugs, tee shirts, DVDs, etc. and finally got to a break.

I walked out and didn't look back.

I'm in Memphis today and will visit Sun Studio and the Stax Museum of American Soul Music. I checked out Nashville venues online and EVERY ONE of them did not reveal the price until after you hit the "Buy Ticket" button. Ticket prices were 2-3X the rates in Memphis. Bad sign -- I'll probably skip most of Nashville because it sounds worse than Branson.

Anyone have similar seedy music venue stories to tell that might save time and money?
Regarding Nashville, I've heard it's just a musical Disneyworld now.
 
I’ve been to all of them…Memphis is the best! BB King’s place is great. I my wife and I go on Legendary Blues Cruises and they are fantastic. Tons of artists and you can hookup and jam if you’re so inclined.
I have known Roger, the guy who started the Blues Cruises, and he is a class act, plus people who have worked for him on those are friends of mine. He was a blues promoter in Kansas City(brought a pre-fame SRV up from Austin to play a show), and throughout the 80’s and 90’s, operated a premier blues/roots(plus alternative rock)club there, the Grand Emporium. A home away from home.
 
Right. My wife and I dream of doing an Alaska cruise someday, and I get the appeal of such an excursion. Floating casinos/amusement parks....not so much...
We did a Scandinavian cruise in June on a well known cruise line that is adults only and it was wonderful. Definitely not interested in cruising on a ship catering to families with young children or floating frat parties.
 
Unfortunately, Nashville has become pretty much the same thing.
That was my experience too. The players are all generally quite good though, have to be. For sure if you can check out Kelley's Heroes at Roberts Western World, do it---those guys SHRED. I've gigged on the east side of town where you'll find more "indie", less commercial stuff. Still, the place is crawling with great players.
 
Not to mention the already established ‘Lake Of The Ozarks’ recreational region, which had been a draw to the southern mid-state area for decades previous. For those not familiar, it is a sizable man-made lake/reservoir, created to generate electric power, with an anchor town that grew around Bagnell Dam which makes it all possible. It wasn’t exactly a WPA project, like the Tennessee Valley Authority, but serves the same purpose.

Initially drawing vacationers from KC, were I was, and St. Louis, scores of high-end resorts sprung up throughout the 50’s and 60’s, along with weekend getaway residences. My parents always knew someone who “had a place at the lake”, and when I was a kid we went down and stayed at a resort, but the music there was a third rate lounge band. I did see a rock band from St. Lou banging out Cream songs at a place on the tourist trap strip at the dam, but yes there were also these “country jamboree” hillbilly venues dotted throughout the area.

A bit of trivia, there was a Kansas City area native, Paul Henning, who worked in local media there, including industrial film production, before migrating out to Hollywood. On a camping trip to the Branson area, which supposedly included his mother-in-law, he came up with the premise for a TV show. Now, I have no idea what incident in particular sparked this idea, and oil fields are primarily way to the west, across the state line in Oklahoma, but I’m sure most of you have heard of the poor mountaineer who one day was shooting at some food…

All my folks are from Bates County MO, about an hour south of Kansas city. Which by the way nobody in west mo calls it. They just call it "The City", as your probably aware.
Getting a kick hearing about Lake of the Ozarks, cause my family has members who "have a place there". Spent many times fishing, skiing, and checking out those giant catfish that look as big as Shetland ponies next to the dam.
Great memories of doing shooms and hanging out at Hallmark center and drinking 3.2 beers at 18.
Table Rock was my dads favorite trout fishing spot too.
Good times.... 😏
 
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Two great experiences in Memphis today. First was Sun Studio. Walked up to the front door, and imagined Elvis tearing through the door into the "secretary's" front office, hoping to persuade Sam Phillips for another chance. Place was packed with tourists who were respectful and curious. But it was the oldest and heaviest fan who knew every one of those hit songs and their players. And thrilling to stand where Bill Black played his double bass for Elvis and other early stars. And hold the microphone through which they sang their hits.

If that wasn't inspiring enough, next came Stax Museum of Soul with the famous movie house marque announcing the home of soul music to McLemore Ave and Memphis. The museum included clothing worn by many of the stars in historic performances, so it was not hard to imagine their owners proudly and confidently struttin' their stuff in the day.

Recognition was displayed for Booker T & The MGs, including the organ he used on all the early hits. Unfortunately, Duck Dunn did not get the callout we all feel he should have received--not even his Fender bass used for the iconic hits.

The highlight was emersion in the Holiest of Holies -- the studio where the magic occurred. It was formerly a movie theater, so the floor slopes down from the entry to a stage area, with the control room behind a glass window. I even got a few minutes alone in this room, clapped my hands above my head to hear room response, and imagine being there while the music flowed. Put Branson in the rear view mirror!

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If you do Beale Street, take a look at Rum Boogie. A couple blocks down from BBs. I think it is much better food, ribs wet please, and a better vibe with all the guitars and such. I sit at the end of the bar furthest from the door. Great spot for good service. BBs is great for music.
 
I was in Nashville about 18 years ago for a run of gigs, and it was a little less far-gone than it is now. But - does anyone else see the problem with this, in a town which prides itself on being called 'Music City USA'? Bueller... Bueller? Those bars on Broadway are making money hand over fist from alcohol sales. And musicians are playing for tips. Robert's and a few other spots still have some sense of legitimacy, but the majority of Broadway's vibe today is like Myrtle Beach in a landlocked State.
The Problem is, there are so many musicians in Nashville, the club owners know they can get people to play for tips! It is disgusting how they take advantage of musicians wanting to be seen!
 
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The Problem is, there are so many musicians in Nashville, the club owners know they can get people to play for tips! It is disgusting how they take advantage of musicians wanting to be seen!

As mentioned, in Branson it's worse: an expensive "live" show uses a backing track for bass. Eventually, people giving their $$$ to these venues will be watching AI holograms playing to AI music. Fooled me once......

(Sadly, I doubt most of the audience even knew the bass was a recording and not played by a live musician. Not a good factor for job security in producing the low end!)
 
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To the OP -- In Nashville, go to the Musicians Hall Of Fame museum to see some inspiring instruments and gear ( Joe Osborn's bass!). Then check out the music stores - Gruhn's, Carter Vintage, Rumbleseat, Fanny's.

Go see music at Bluebird Cafe and Rudy's Jazz Room (it's not always jazz).

To me the scene on Broadway in Nashville is just a step removed from Branson.