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Kubicki club, part 2

other than the cost of engineering this...there must be a reason this didn't take off big with Fender or other big instrument co. this seems ideal for working musicians who deal with multiple factors.

Licensing, exclusivity maybe? Since original Steinbergers have a titanically strong neck that probably helped with overall pitch stability and playability, especially when tuning UP.

Steinberger World has a treasure trove of info on all-things-vintage-Ned, and I'll borrow a bit from them (and post a link below) on just the thinking around strings for a TT, bass or guitar:

What does the term "calibrated" mean?

When Ned originally designed the TT he had to establish some basic rules of operation. The first of these was that the double-ball end strings needed to be an exact length. This would position the larger ball end at a precise location within the bridge assembly, and provide the ideal rotational angle point (or more accurately the distance of movement) to transpose.

This is the scientific basis for how the TransTrem works. If you'll notice, the pivot points of the bridge are asymmetrical. This makes the bridge rotate at an angle (rather than directly parallel to the strings like on most other trems) when engaged. This slight angle stretches each string a different distance, which results in a varying rate of tension change for each one (more for the low E, less for the high E). This provides the transposing. There were obviously a lot of equations (and trials & errors) in figuring this stuff out. There were attempts thoughout the years to build trems that transposed (it's not a new idea), though none locked in place in the various keys. Ned's overall approach was radical and inspired genius.

This precise transposing action requires exacting specs on the string length. If the strings are too long the transposed notes are flat - too short and they're sharp. The farther you go out from the center unlocked position the worse it gets. Because tension on each string varies (due to construction, gauge & frequency differences) the ideal length of each string is also different for each manufacturer

Ned chose the term "calibrated" to define strings that are the precise length needed to transpose properly. A calibrated string is technically within 1/16" of his specification when tuned; that is within .0625" of it's ideal length. Any more than that and the string won't transpose. Ned did build a "fudge factor" into his bridge - the fine transposing tuners allow you to compensate for any minor, real-world variations in actual length. This term "calibrated" is not trademarked nor proprietary. Ned intentionally shared it to allow any manufacturer to use the term (and the underlying processes to determine it). His hope was that it would offer the widest variety of options to his customers.

Understand that not all double-ball strings are calibrated. The process of determining the calibration spec is different for each maker, depending on their construction techniques. There is an exacting process (usually including lots of testing) to measure. But once the calibration is set for a specific string, the manufacturer can then make thousands of them to that precise length. As long as they don't change any major factors (type of metal, core diameter, wrap diameter, # or wraps, etc.) the spec remains constant.

Ned actually made a custom headpiece that he could use to quickly check the lengths of the strings and tell how far in/out of spec they were. For a time the company regularly tested each manufacturers strings. Once Gibson bought the company this process slowly went away and hasn't been done for many years. Ned still has that headpiece, and just recently has started helping us by testing strings and working with the manufacturers again (most notably D'Addario). Mind you he doesn't get a dime for this - he does it to help those who've come to buy and enjoy his namesakes.


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A close-up photo of Ned's custom calibrating headpiece. It was not a production piece, so the steel was never coated (hence the rust).

Link: TransTrem Tips
 

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Licensing, exclusivity maybe? Since original Steinbergers have a titanically strong neck that probably helped with overall pitch stability and playability, especially when tuning UP.

Steinberger World has a treasure trove of info on all-things-vintage-Ned, and I'll borrow a bit from them (and post a link below) on just the thinking around strings for a TT, bass or guitar:

What does the term "calibrated" mean?

When Ned originally designed the TT he had to establish some basic rules of operation. The first of these was that the double-ball end strings needed to be an exact length. This would position the larger ball end at a precise location within the bridge assembly, and provide the ideal rotational angle point (or more accurately the distance of movement) to transpose.

This is the scientific basis for how the TransTrem works. If you'll notice, the pivot points of the bridge are asymmetrical. This makes the bridge rotate at an angle (rather than directly parallel to the strings like on most other trems) when engaged. This slight angle stretches each string a different distance, which results in a varying rate of tension change for each one (more for the low E, less for the high E). This provides the transposing. There were obviously a lot of equations (and trials & errors) in figuring this stuff out. There were attempts thoughout the years to build trems that transposed (it's not a new idea), though none locked in place in the various keys. Ned's overall approach was radical and inspired genius.

This precise transposing action requires exacting specs on the string length. If the strings are too long the transposed notes are flat - too short and they're sharp. The farther you go out from the center unlocked position the worse it gets. Because tension on each string varies (due to construction, gauge & frequency differences) the ideal length of each string is also different for each manufacturer

Ned chose the term "calibrated" to define strings that are the precise length needed to transpose properly. A calibrated string is technically within 1/16" of his specification when tuned; that is within .0625" of it's ideal length. Any more than that and the string won't transpose. Ned did build a "fudge factor" into his bridge - the fine transposing tuners allow you to compensate for any minor, real-world variations in actual length. This term "calibrated" is not trademarked nor proprietary. Ned intentionally shared it to allow any manufacturer to use the term (and the underlying processes to determine it). His hope was that it would offer the widest variety of options to his customers.

Understand that not all double-ball strings are calibrated. The process of determining the calibration spec is different for each maker, depending on their construction techniques. There is an exacting process (usually including lots of testing) to measure. But once the calibration is set for a specific string, the manufacturer can then make thousands of them to that precise length. As long as they don't change any major factors (type of metal, core diameter, wrap diameter, # or wraps, etc.) the spec remains constant.

Ned actually made a custom headpiece that he could use to quickly check the lengths of the strings and tell how far in/out of spec they were. For a time the company regularly tested each manufacturers strings. Once Gibson bought the company this process slowly went away and hasn't been done for many years. Ned still has that headpiece, and just recently has started helping us by testing strings and working with the manufacturers again (most notably D'Addario). Mind you he doesn't get a dime for this - he does it to help those who've come to buy and enjoy his namesakes.


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A close-up photo of Ned's custom calibrating headpiece. It was not a production piece, so the steel was never coated (hence the rust).

Link: TransTrem Tips
today I don't think anything would sell well with the word trans in it...no matter how good the product was. lol the marketing would be hard to pass

nice information
thanks
 
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Just pulled the trigger on a 5 string key factor!

I've already got an exfactor (or 2) as my main gig bass, but causally put a search into reverb, not expecting anything to turn up, and then this appeared!!!!

I'd almost talked myself out of it... after all it's not an ex-factor, and do I NEED a 5 string. But I showed it to my wife who said "great colour, you don't have a 5 string Kubicki, and you're NEVER going to find another one for sale in the UK. You should totally get it". This is not an argument I'm going to disagree with.... so it's on its way!!!

More details when it gets here!
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Just pulled the trigger on a 5 string key factor!

I've already got an exfactor (or 2) as my main gig bass, but causally put a search into reverb, not expecting anything to turn up, and then this appeared!!!!

I'd almost talked myself out of it... after all it's not an ex-factor, and do I NEED a 5 string. But I showed it to my wife who said "great colour, you don't have a 5 string Kubicki, and you're NEVER going to find another one for sale in the UK. You should totally get it". This is not an argument I'm going to disagree with.... so it's on its way!!!

More details when it gets here!
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Never played one but I imagine it's going to sound great. Just a clarification - it's 34" scale? And does it have the 18v pre/system? And lastly, is it J spacing or P spacing? Enjoy playing it! :bassist:
 
Never played one but I imagine it's going to sound great. Just a clarification - it's 34" scale? And does it have the 18v pre/system? And lastly, is it J spacing or P spacing? Enjoy playing it! :bassist:

It's a holiday weekend in the UK and the seller didn't want to send it out and have it side in a random warehouse over the weekend so I won't get it till Wednesday. I've never played one either... I'm not sure how many were made, but I heard a figure of 200 so they're insanely rare.

Nut width: 44.4 mm. Depth at 1st fret: 20 mm. String spacing at the nut: 34mm / at the bridge: 72 mm

They were sold with 9v as standard, and 18v as an option (as I understand...). I think this one's 18v but I'll confirm when it arrives. I have a slight preference for 18v but dont' mind either way.


I a slightly related note I saw this has been added to the new updated website: Kubicki.com | Philip Kubicki Factor Bass Last year I called it out that there might be two of these. Legend has it there was only one made, but I suspected there was a second one based on some YouTube factory tour videos, and now it's confirmed. there were TWO headless factor 5's made.
 
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I a slightly related note I saw this has been added to the new updated website: Kubicki.com | Philip Kubicki Factor Bass Last year I called it out that there might be two of these. Legend has it there was only one made, but I suspected there was a second one based on some YouTube factory tour videos, and now it's confirmed. there were TWO headless factor 5's made.

That's interesting how to buy certain parts you have to return the (original) one you have. Stops counterfeits & controls stock. In the '90s I came close to buying a tuner/bridge from Phil - they were listed on his parts sheet at $500. Later, I called him and he said he was no longer selling them as he only had a limited stock & needed them for custom orders and he didn't want to run another batch.
 
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Just pulled the trigger on a 5 string key factor!



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It arrived last week and it's basically everything you'd expect. It's not quite an ex-factor but it's as close as you'll get.

It's a 5 string:
It's 9lb 13oz which feels fractionally heavier than an ex-factor (though I've heard stories that ex-factors from this era are also slightly heavier), and the 34" scale is a bit strange when you first pick it up and expect 32", but both of these things are inevitable in a 5 string, and are probably in line with most other basses, so not a problem at all. Just a slightly weird feeling when you think you're picking up a regular Kubicki, and the muscle memory is off for a few seconds (it is only a few seconds). Similarly as you'd expect the neck is wider but 44mm width/34mm string spacing is narrower than some 4 strings I own, and is probably as narrow as you'll find on a 5. Basically it's what a Kubicki 5 string will inevitably be.

It's a KEY factor:
Obviously a headless design would be more desirable, but that's not going to happen. The head stock doesn't look as bad in real life as its does in photo's. It feels like the headstock could have been an inch shorter but I'm sure there's a reason for it. Tuning with pegs is so 1970's but it works. The string winding is UGLY but necessary to fit everything on the headstock and keep the strings as straight as possible - it looks weird from the back too as left and right handed tuners are mixed to compensate for the odd winding, but it all works and you don't really notice it when you're playing. I LOVE the bridge design. It's pretty standard but the "canopy" hides the ends of the strings and makes everything look really clean.

The key factors were intended to be cheaper to produce, so the laminated neck is gone (no longer essential with the extra mass at the headstock), and the fingerboard is rosewood rather than ebony. Both fully functional but just a step down from the full luxury package. The website lists 9v electronics as standard, but I found a post that all the 5 strings had 18v (this one does).

Feel and Sound
It really is just everything you'd expect. It sounds like a Kubicki. It's a little more work to play than a Kubicki 4 string, but easier than my other 5 strings (and many of my other 4 strings). I used it at a rehearsal at the weekend and I loved the way it cut through and pitiched its notes in the mix. I mainly play 4 string and only take a 5 when I need it, just to avoid taking something bigger and heavier, but this is the 5 I want to play out!


I found that there were 276 made. I'm not 100% sure if that's all key factors, or just the key 5's, but either way this is the rarest bass I'll own, and its everything I hoped it would be.