Lakland Owners Group #52

[roadkill2309]

Really. So the JO5 doesnt sound like a true J? You guys are killing me! I thought i had this all figured out lol. Does anyone else agree? (no offense, just want some other opinions) I guess i dont know if i just have gas or Im really hearing what i think. It seems to me that my 5502 gets close to a jazz tone, but not quite really. Maybe im just obsessing?

For a couple of the songs on the CD in my CD baby link, I got a fairly convincing J voice out of my 5502, but I wouldn't say it was an old-school J tone.

But here on TB we all have magic ears and argue over tone differences that are too tiny to matter.

 

[Rycebag]

Mandatory group shot.

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Dang, Beautiful basses Markus. Are the CHI's in the 4407 and decade humbuckers? they look bigger than the CHI's in the osborn!

 

[MarkusBass]

Thanks man! The 44-07 has switchable Humbuckers, and the Decade has singles. Lakland makes singles in both cases...large and small.

 

[basspraiser]

Sell the Fender and keep the 55-02 if at all possible and then try them side by side.....I am not sure if your impression is correct. which pickups are in your 55-02? I have a 55-94 fretless and it is plenty fat and round (tonewise).....

the Inca JOs are sweet! good luck!

PS - if you want "really fat and round" try the CHisonics.....there is a JO4 for sale here and on the Laklaneowners group (Link Removed) but htis is a 4 and you want a 5...I have a JO5 with the CHIS and it is one of my favorite basses...

Im selling my 4 string fender and my 55-02 to get a inca silver JO5. Is this a good idea? Seems to me that the JO5 has a fatter rounder tone than the 5502?

 

[basspraiser]

GREAT bassface you got there!

8 pages in already? Damn I'm late.

Anyways, here's some bassface for you guys.

 

[basspraiser]

Now THAT is totally awesome!!!

a camel bassist.....lovin' it!

I think people are copying your style...

 

[basspraiser]

Allright....who leaked the pics from Jeff's last gig!

he did say I was "entertaining" didn't he???

I knew you wouldn't like it...you're the Bling Master

 

[jsbarber]

What we hear is subjective, but I know for a fact that the 55-60 does not have the pickups in the same relative position as a Fender J. They are a little bit closer to the nut than a "true J", already adjusting the measures for the 35" scale. That does cause a difference in tone.

Not sure what you mean by "true J". It's my understanding that the XX-60s were modeled after Joe Osborn's 1960 Fender Jazz. The bridge pickup location on Fender Jazz basses was moved about 1/4 - 1/2" closer to the bridge in about 1974. So, if by "true J" you are referring to the later pickup position that would be expected, at least for the bridge pickup.

As far as the 55-60 is concerned, if the same body shape is used on the 55-60 as on the 44-60, then it might not make sense to just move the pickups proportionately farther from the bridge, due to the 35" scale length. They may have tone tested and placed accordingly.

I have a 44-60 US and it sounds pretty vintagey to my ear. Have not played the 55-60. Also, Skylines are typically made with an ash body whereas alder was more typical for pre-CBS jazz, especially with rosewood board, as I recall. The US XX-60 comes with alder (ash is an option). If the body were ash I'd expect that to cause a deviation from what I typically think of as the pre-CBS (alder/rosewood) vintage tone.

FWIW,

Jim

 

[MarkusBass]

Allright....who leaked the pics from Jeff's last gig!

he did say I was "entertaining" didn't he???

He did! He told me about you're Caddy Eldo getting towed...sorry to hear that dude. I told you that gold trim package attracts attention!

 

[thehess]

I think people are copying your style...

I had no idea that Lakland made a micro-scale bass. And the camel has great right-hand technique.

 

[natw42]

GREAT bassface you got there!

Gotta go for the glory singin it out!

I had no idea that Lakland made a micro-scale bass. And the camel has great right-hand technique.

It's a new breed of camel with opposable thumbs

 

[drpepper]

Gotta go for the glory singin it out!



It's a new breed of camel with opposable thumbs

Ya know, I tried to do a google search for another image showing a camel's feet to photoshop in for the camel's right "hand."

Surprisingly, searching for "camel toe" doesn't turn up any pictures with actual camels...not a single one

 

[bassistloaded21]

Sell the Fender and keep the 55-02 if at all possible and then try them side by side.....I am not sure if your impression is correct. which pickups are in your 55-02? I have a 55-94 fretless and it is plenty fat and round (tonewise).....

the Inca JOs are sweet! good luck!

PS - if you want "really fat and round" try the CHisonics.....there is a JO4 for sale here and on the Laklaneowners group (Link Removed) but htis is a 4 and you want a 5...I have a JO5 with the CHIS and it is one of my favorite basses...

I have the LH3 in my 5502 w a maple board. The 5502 gets close, but it definitely doesnt nail the jazz tone, it just gets in the ballpark to me. Close, yes, but not there. The 5502 and the jazz sound way different, and i prefer the tone of my jazz to the 5502,, which is why i was thinking JO5. Now im just lost lol. Maybe i just need to convert to the 4string

 

[basspraiser]

GLAD you kept it family friendly!

Ya know, I tried to do a google search for another image showing a camel's feet to photoshop in for the camel's right "hand."

Surprisingly, searching for "camel toe" doesn't turn up any pictures with actual camels...not a single one

 

[basspraiser]

I would say get a JO5 and ask or the vintatge pickups....I think you will be happy!

I have the LH3 in my 5502 w a maple board. The 5502 gets close, but it definitely doesnt nail the jazz tone, it just gets in the ballpark to me. Close, yes, but not there. The 5502 and the jazz sound way different, and i prefer the tone of my jazz to the 5502,, which is why i was thinking JO5. Now im just lost lol. Maybe i just need to convert to the 4string

 

[GregC]

What we hear is subjective, but I know for a fact that the 55-60 does not have the pickups in the same relative position as a Fender J. They are a little bit closer to the nut than a "true J", already adjusting the measures for the 35" scale. That does cause a difference in tone.

Wait, what? Never heard this before. I don't play fives, can anyone else confirm this?

 

[nozkcb]

It's been a while since the family got together for a picture & as usual in these gatherings it's not the best photo, but all behaved long enough to get one.

L to R: DD, DJ, Decade, 44-07, Fretless DJ, 55-76, Hollowbody

Dang! I think you're in the lead with Laklands with blocks.

 

[lfbassguy]

Some action shots with my 44-64 custom.

 

[macribas]

Wait, what? Never heard this before. I don't play fives, can anyone else confirm this?

What, you don't trust me Greg? Why do you need confirmation?

Ed Friedland called my attention to this, so I measured all my jazzes and put it in a spreadsheet.

Sure enough, the Lakland 5 string jazz pickup position is different than Nordy, Fender, Carvin and Lull. And it is not the 60 vs 70 thing. Both pickups are a little bit closer to the nut in a Lakland. The DJ5 and the 55-60, both Skylines, have the pickups in the same place. I haven't measured a Lakland 4 string jazz, maybe I will do that this Friday at Bass Emporium.

 

[macribas]

Not sure what you mean by "true J". It's my understanding that the XX-60s were modeled after Joe Osborn's 1960 Fender Jazz. The bridge pickup location on Fender Jazz basses was moved about 1/4 - 1/2" closer to the bridge in about 1974. So, if by "true J" you are referring to the later pickup position that would be expected, at least for the bridge pickup.

As far as the 55-60 is concerned, if the same body shape is used on the 55-60 as on the 44-60, then it might not make sense to just move the pickups proportionately farther from the bridge, due to the 35" scale length. They may have tone tested and placed accordingly.

I have a 44-60 US and it sounds pretty vintagey to my ear. Have not played the 55-60. Also, Skylines are typically made with an ash body whereas alder was more typical for pre-CBS jazz, especially with rosewood board, as I recall. The US XX-60 comes with alder (ash is an option). If the body were ash I'd expect that to cause a deviation from what I typically think of as the pre-CBS (alder/rosewood) vintage tone.

FWIW,

Jim

I am not sure what's a "True J", I copied that from a previous poster and that's why it is in quotes. I meant to say the original that everyone copies (Fender). In both incarnations, 60s and 70s positions, the neck pickup did not move. And according to my measures, the Lakland 55-60 and the DJ5 (both Skyline), have the neck pickup closer to the nut than a Fender. And of course, the bridge pickup is placed relatively.
I am sure this is because of what you said, that they tone tested and placed accordingly, and I like my basses the way they are, I am just saying that it's a different design. I can't comment tone, because this is subjective and involves all the other elements you mentioned, I am just talking about numbers here.