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Lakland Owners Group #69

Lakland updated their website for the first time in who knows how long?

Not exactly cutting edge, but it’s nice to see them getting it a little more up to date!
Yeah, new designer. No longer calling the trans-orange “Markus Orange”. Boo!

Also, the 44-51 has sound clips with bridge pickup and neck pickup. Somebody made a booboo!
 
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As an accessibility analyst it saddens me that they site is not built to account for disabilities but I guess no one care about that until they get sued. They had that old design forever so this is a welcome change but it seems like a fight to get somewhere that everyone else was 5 years ago. I hope they get everything moving as it sadly seems like a dying brand.
 
As an accessibility analyst it saddens me that they site is not built to account for disabilities but I guess no one care about that until they get sued. They had that old design forever so this is a welcome change but it seems like a fight to get somewhere that everyone else was 5 years ago. I hope they get everything moving as it sadly seems like a dying brand.
They seem to be selling plenty of basses still. Seems to be a 6 month plus wait for a custom built bass. But the brand’s marketing image seems to be of a brand that is dying for sure.
 
As an accessibility analyst it saddens me that they site is not built to account for disabilities but I guess no one care about that until they get sued. They had that old design forever so this is a welcome change but it seems like a fight to get somewhere that everyone else was 5 years ago. I hope they get everything moving as it sadly seems like a dying brand.
Is that impression of the brand based on anything other than the website not being updated in a long time? And what guitar or bass manufacturers’ websites do account for disabilities?
 
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Can the necks of the US models 44-60 and 44-64 be swapped? Anyone tried this? There are posts of people trying this with Skylines but not on the US models.

100% verified. There may be oddities from early Korean to later Indonesian, but I honestly haven’t seen it ime. I could just be lucky, or foolhardy and not afraid to dowel and drill! I swapped necks between a 60, 64 custom and an early Bob Glaub... holes were almost perfectly aligned but downed them anyway.
 
100% verified. There may be oddities from early Korean to later Indonesian, but I honestly haven’t seen it ime. I could just be lucky, or foolhardy and not afraid to dowel and drill! I swapped necks between a 60, 64 custom and an early Bob Glaub... holes were almost perfectly aligned but downed them anyway.

This is what I would expect but it is always nice to hear it's verified. Have you tried the 1.75'' neck of a BG on a JO model? How did it sound? I am really curious on this pairing.
 
Lakland updated their website for the first time in who knows how long?

Not exactly cutting edge, but it’s nice to see them getting it a little more up to date!
Can anybody explain why the USA Darryl Jones 4-string is 4,425 while the 5-string is 3,864?!
I think someone made a mistake. I'm guessing that the 4 string is the price with options, and the 5 is the price without...
 
Is that impression of the brand based on anything other than the website not being updated in a long time? And what guitar or bass manufacturers’ websites do account for disabilities?

Gibson and Fender do a good job. I am just pointing out that as someone that test for an advocates for an inclusive web experience I am always disheartened when sites get updated and don't account for the large portion of the population with temporary or permanent disabilities. Most people don't care until they get sued which is sad.
 
They seem to be selling plenty of basses still. Seems to be a 6 month plus wait for a custom built bass. But the brand’s marketing image seems to be of a brand that is dying for sure.

I'm not sure that they are a dying brand. My take on it is that Fender QC seemed not to be the best from the mid nineties until about 2010. In that time a bunch of manufacturers sprang up to fill a hole in the market: sadowsky production went up, Valenti, Nordstrand, Mike lull, Sandberg, others that I've forgotten about.
The difference with lakland was the skyline series: with those they're competing directly with the most popular fenders, the American standard. Compared to the other Fender rivals, they sold a lot more when Fender we're unreliable, but obviously stood to lose more when Fender upped their game.
So I wouldn't call them a dying brand: I'd guess the USA custom shop is doing as much business as ever. If anything is suffering, I'd guess it's the number of dealers carrying the skyline series.
If I were John, I'd take a look at Gibson going down the plughole and see that as an opportunity. Who wouldn't want a cheaper, better made and more reliable EB-3 from a highly respected Chicago based manufacturer?
You can bet other brands will be doing it soon: lull and Sandberg have already brought thunderbird basses to the market.
 
Who wouldn't want a cheaper, better made and more reliable EB-3 from a highly respected Chicago based manufacturer?
You can bet other brands will be doing it soon: lull and Sandberg have already brought thunderbird basses to the market.

I would not. I have owned a grabber and a Gibson t bird and for the money they were god awful, and not good overall tho the t bird sure was pretty. But lakland hasn’t released a new model in like 15 years, and that is kinda pathetic in this marketplace. Copying another existing design would be worse than coming up with something new, but copying a bass that was never popular and always inferior like a g3 seems like an ill fated idea.
 
So they would have no use of their arms and hands?

There are tons of different disabilities both permanent and temporary. Someone could have a broken arm and incapable of using a mouse or someone could have a more permanent reason for not having use of the limb. It can be a visual, auditory, physical or cognitive disability. Under the ADA all levels of disability are covered. Visual impairment from color blindness and difficulty seeing all the way to complete blindness. Seizures, impaired mobility....everything. So a site has to be completely usable with a keyboard only because many people can't use a mouse properly. The colors have to meet contrast ratios to make them easy to see for people with color blindness. Images have to be coded properly to describe what the image is to people using a screen reader. Many times people like to say "Well those type of people wouldn't be at my website" but that's not an excuse to not allow them the ability to use it. It would be like saying I am not going to have wheelchair access to my store because they wouldn't want to shop here. On top of that there are so many situations where normal users can benefit by having an inclusive site. I may be able to use a mouse no problem but maybe it got damaged and all I have is a keyboard. If I am using a mobile device in bright sunlight those contrast ratios for color blind people will help the page be more visible under those harsh conditions.

Sorry to be long winded it's my job but also having an inclusive web is just something that I am passionate about.

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Gibson and Fender do a good job. I am just pointing out that as someone that test for an advocates for an inclusive web experience I am always disheartened when sites get updated and don't account for the large portion of the population with temporary or permanent disabilities. Most people don't care until they get sued which is sad.
Companies can get sued for not having an accessible website? Are there Federal or ADA guidelines for this? There would have some kind of code and/or mandate in place in order for a judgment to be made in such a case.

Who knew?
 
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There are tons of different disabilities both permanent and temporary. Someone could have a broken arm and incapable of using a mouse or someone could have a more permanent reason for not having use of the limb. It can be a visual, auditory, physical or cognitive disability. Under the ADA all levels of disability are covered. Visual impairment from color blindness and difficulty seeing all the way to complete blindness. Seizures, impaired mobility....everything. So a site has to be completely usable with a keyboard only because many people can't use a mouse properly. The colors have to meet contrast ratios to make them easy to see for people with color blindness. Images have to be coded properly to describe what the image is to people using a screen reader. Many times people like to say "Well those type of people wouldn't be at my website" but that's not an excuse to not allow them the ability to use it. It would be like saying I am not going to have wheelchair access to my store because they wouldn't want to shop here. On top of that there are so many situations where normal users can benefit by having an inclusive site. I may be able to use a mouse no problem but maybe it got damaged and all I have is a keyboard. If I am using a mobile device in bright sunlight those contrast ratios for color blind people will help the page be more visible under those harsh conditions.

Sorry to be long winded it's my job but also having an inclusive web is just something that I am passionate about.

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I am curious... is the ADA's own website compliant with these standards? ADA.gov homepage

Also, the only mention I could find on ADA's site about website accessibility only indicates guidelines for government websites.
 
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This is what I would expect but it is always nice to hear it's verified. Have you tried the 1.75'' neck of a BG on a JO model? How did it sound? I am really curious on this pairing.
I did not... I’m a jazz neck kind of guy.... honestly I’m partial to the in between of the -94 but you can’t swap those to the traditional styled Basses!
 
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Lakland will build you whatever you want (assuming you’re ok with the US prices), their body shape with Jazz width neck, all good. I think people have an impression of Lakland that they make Skylines and some standard spec US basses and ship them to shops. Nope, they make Skylines, I guess the Classics are basically they’re ‘production’ US model (although are made to order), but most US models are basically full custom-shop, you can have what you want.

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