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Lakland's.
- Thread starter Victor Wooten98
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ebozzz....thanks for the reply
they are both obviously quality instruments, i just never had a true feel for the differences....i give lakland credit for providing a little more affordable option.....
my "moderate talents" aren't enhanced by one model or the other, but i have leaned toward the 55-94 on the basis of future value, resalability, etc.....
they are both obviously quality instruments, i just never had a true feel for the differences....i give lakland credit for providing a little more affordable option.....
my "moderate talents" aren't enhanced by one model or the other, but i have leaned toward the 55-94 on the basis of future value, resalability, etc.....
No problem. A Cirrus and any Lakland are very different from one another and it's easy to understand why a person would be attracted to one more than the other. As for me, I happen to like what both have to offer. I play Blues, Jazz, Rock and anything else that gets me an opportunity to develop my skills with my Cirrus. I haven't gotten a complaint about it yet.
I went with the Peavey Millennium Plus (one 4 & one 5). They get close enough to that Lakland vibe for my needs and they do it quite well IMO. They also offer some differences. Although, I won't rule out the possibility of owning a 55-02 or 55-94 in the future.
Originally posted by Schwinn
I thought I'd only end up with one, but I really think I need them both since they are so different
This post sums up my Lakland versus Cirrus sentiments.
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VicWoot98, no one can help you make this decision but yourself, do whatever you can afford and get the options you want. I can honestly say that I used to work for a Peavey dealer, and have played every Cirrus, Millenium,Fury, and T series ever made, new and used, and Peavey doesnt come close to the Laklands. I personally owned both a Lakland 55-94 and a Deluxe Dual Jazz, passive. I played the Skylines at a NAMM show in Nashville last year and was blown away, the quality is the same as US models, seriously.
One thing I would like to say is this, if you like throaty, Jaco like mids, you should get the 55-01, the MK3 pickups produce this sound better. But if you want a sound more comparable to the US made Lakland 55-94s, then get the 55-02, because it has the exact same preamp and pickups. This sound is great for jazz bass sounds, p bass sounds, and music man sounds, plus the Lakland vibe which is the combo of jazz/music man, bright and punchy, but warm.
Again, no one can decide but you, but dont let $200 keep you from buying the right bass either way.
One thing I would like to say is this, if you like throaty, Jaco like mids, you should get the 55-01, the MK3 pickups produce this sound better. But if you want a sound more comparable to the US made Lakland 55-94s, then get the 55-02, because it has the exact same preamp and pickups. This sound is great for jazz bass sounds, p bass sounds, and music man sounds, plus the Lakland vibe which is the combo of jazz/music man, bright and punchy, but warm.
Again, no one can decide but you, but dont let $200 keep you from buying the right bass either way.
Sounds like you had a second job at Peavey if you have played every Cirrus, Millennium, Fury, etc., etc.....
Just kidding. Care to elaborate on what you feel the Millennium & Cirrus lines were lacking when compared to a comparable Lakland? BTW, I think he decided to go with one of the Skyline instruments because it had more of the tone that he was looking for.
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Sure, I think Im qualified to answer that question.
It is simple, Peavey makes quality gear, always have, but their R+D department might not be as interested in helping bassists as they are interested in sticking their noses in every niche of the musical equipment business. Do you agree so far?
You cant beat the R+D that Dan Lakin and Hugh McFarland have done to build the best basses they can. Nothing beats complete devotion to the needs of bass only players.
Now, on the Peaveys...they are just stale! Have you ever had a hamburger, at a fast food restaurant that claimed to be as good as a hamburger at say Fuddruckers, for lack of a better choice? The Peavey tastes okay, looks great, but doesnt have that original blend of 11 herbs and spices...HA HA HA...but do you get what Im saying. Also, you have to admit, the active circuits on Peaveys tend to muddy the tone more than help it, so why even bother. Lakland doesnt try to manufacture its own generic pickups and preamps, but rather commissions one of the best in the business Bill Bartolini, to build design all of the electronics, smart! This is the reason you would pay more for a Lakland than a Peavey, quality, not quantity.
Hows that for an answer?
It is simple, Peavey makes quality gear, always have, but their R+D department might not be as interested in helping bassists as they are interested in sticking their noses in every niche of the musical equipment business. Do you agree so far?
You cant beat the R+D that Dan Lakin and Hugh McFarland have done to build the best basses they can. Nothing beats complete devotion to the needs of bass only players.
Now, on the Peaveys...they are just stale! Have you ever had a hamburger, at a fast food restaurant that claimed to be as good as a hamburger at say Fuddruckers, for lack of a better choice? The Peavey tastes okay, looks great, but doesnt have that original blend of 11 herbs and spices...HA HA HA...but do you get what Im saying. Also, you have to admit, the active circuits on Peaveys tend to muddy the tone more than help it, so why even bother. Lakland doesnt try to manufacture its own generic pickups and preamps, but rather commissions one of the best in the business Bill Bartolini, to build design all of the electronics, smart! This is the reason you would pay more for a Lakland than a Peavey, quality, not quantity.
Hows that for an answer?
Originally posted by theaterbass29
Sure, I think Im qualified to answer that question.
It is simple, Peavey makes quality gear, always have, but their R+D department might not be as interested in helping bassists as they are interested in sticking their noses in every niche of the musical equipment business. Do you agree so far?
I agree that Peavey leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to R&D and Marketing.
You cant beat the R+D that Dan Lakin and Hugh McFarland have done to build the best basses they can. Nothing beats complete devotion to the needs of bass only players.
Lakland has done a great job and I agree that it's great that they are devoted to bass only.
Now, on the Peaveys...they are just stale! Have you ever had a hamburger, at a fast food restaurant that claimed to be as good as a hamburger at say Fuddruckers, for lack of a better choice? The Peavey tastes okay, looks great, but doesnt have that original blend of 11 herbs and spices...HA HA HA...but do you get what Im saying.
I get what you're saying but in this I don't agree. Neither of my Peavey instruments are stale. And, I do feel that they have a blend of 11 herbs & spices. Maybe the herbs & spices used are different than what's being used in the Lakland kitchen but that doesn't automatically disqualify a Peavey.
Also, you have to admit, the active circuits on Peaveys tend to muddy the tone more than help it, so why even bother.
You missed me here also because I don't feel that my Cirrus or Millenniums sound muddy.
Lakland doesnt try to manufacture its own generic pickups and preamps, but rather commissions one of the best in the business Bill Bartolini, to build design all of the electronics, smart!
So I guess that makes a builders like say Dingwall, who makes a lot of their pickups in house, stupid right? I don't buy your arguement here either. The electronics on my Peavey axes aren't to shabby. I get very good tone and lots of versatility using them.
This is the reason you would pay more for a Lakland than a Peavey, quality, not quantity.
Not every instrument that has the Lakland brand on it sells for more than a Peavey. So, I guess that we can say then that the Peavey basses that cost more than some of the Laklands are better, wouldn't you agree?
Hows that for an answer?
You tried but to me it sounds like you just happen to like the tone of Laklands more than you do Peaveys. Nothing wrong with that.
My wife's D55-01 has great build quality, for a mid priced, Korean built bass. But it does not hold a candle to a US model in fit & finish. And it doesn't hold a candle to my Cirrus in fit & finish, either.
i love you ebozzz! i feel the same way about everything, you just said it better. the pickups in my millennium are in no way muddy. the electronics are as quiet as...a church mouse (?) they are hot too. not muddy. i like them a lot. they leave nothing (in my ears) to be desired. i can get any tone out of them. i know how to make them sound muddy. simply turn the mids all the way down. would do the same for any bass. i think ur arguements (theaterbass) are simply irrelevant.
you cant convince ME that i would be better off with a lakland because i am quiet satisfied with what i have. not to mention, i bet peavey's customer service is better than laklands. the phone didnt even ring once and i was talking to a real person. now, thats hard to beat.
you cant convince ME that i would be better off with a lakland because i am quiet satisfied with what i have. not to mention, i bet peavey's customer service is better than laklands. the phone didnt even ring once and i was talking to a real person. now, thats hard to beat.
In regard to muddiness...The Cirrus sound is the opposite of muddy! It's got a really clear punchy sound.
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There's not a thing wrong with that Millennium especially if you're happy with it. I love my two but there are other basses that I'm interested in. It's a shame that so many people can't let go of that Peavey Sucks mentality.
The same is true of the Millennium but it has more of a Fender-like vibe to it's sonic character. IMO it would have given Peavey two very solid instruments in their bass lineup. One with traits that would appeal to a person that preferred more of a vintage tone and the Cirrus which has a default modern tone. Too bad for Peavey it never caught on.
On the other hand, It worked out great for me! I got two high quality American made instruments for outstanding prices! you're right, opinions are like......@#&!($&@s, everyones got one including you.
and that's ALL you've got, are opinions, (which is fine) but i don't hear any facts.
and so what if you worked at a peavey dealer? Not everyone feels that Bartolinis are absolutely the best, and my cirrus was NOT muddy. If anything, it was the non-muddiest bass ever. As for fit and finish, my Cirrus (don't have it anymore) was better than a skyline (don't know about the us models).
and that's ALL you've got, are opinions, (which is fine) but i don't hear any facts.
and so what if you worked at a peavey dealer? Not everyone feels that Bartolinis are absolutely the best, and my cirrus was NOT muddy. If anything, it was the non-muddiest bass ever. As for fit and finish, my Cirrus (don't have it anymore) was better than a skyline (don't know about the us models).
Originally posted by theaterbass29
Sure, I think Im qualified to answer that question.
It is simple, Peavey makes quality gear, always have, but their R+D department might not be as interested in helping bassists as they are interested in sticking their noses in every niche of the musical equipment business. Do you agree so far?
You cant beat the R+D that Dan Lakin and Hugh McFarland have done to build the best basses they can. Nothing beats complete devotion to the needs of bass only players.
Now, on the Peaveys...they are just stale! Have you ever had a hamburger, at a fast food restaurant that claimed to be as good as a hamburger at say Fuddruckers, for lack of a better choice? The Peavey tastes okay, looks great, but doesnt have that original blend of 11 herbs and spices...HA HA HA...but do you get what Im saying. Also, you have to admit, the active circuits on Peaveys tend to muddy the tone more than help it, so why even bother. Lakland doesnt try to manufacture its own generic pickups and preamps, but rather commissions one of the best in the business Bill Bartolini, to build design all of the electronics, smart! This is the reason you would pay more for a Lakland than a Peavey, quality, not quantity.
Hows that for an answer?
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Sounds like we have several on the defensive side, however I wasnt stating that Peavey made bad basses, on the contrary, I said they do make great gear. And as far as the Peavey Cirrus and Millenium series, they are great basses, Im not changing my story either, this is what I wrote the first time. Also, Im not a Peavey Hater....I sold them for 2 years and played them way before that, but to say that Peavey cares as much about the quality of their basses over Dan Lakin, or Ken Smith,or Stuart Spector, or Vinnie Fodera...etc., then I think you should spend more time with the different instruments and formulate a more mature opinion, rather than just....Peavey Rocks Dude!
As for my opinion on Peavey electronics being stale...THEY ARE, IM SORRY. Also, to say that I would down guys like Sheldon Dingwall or Harvey Citron, that manufacture their own pickups and preamps, then you totally missed what I was saying all together. Final point....how many studio cats like Michael Rhodes, Nathan East, Hutch Hutchinson, David Hungate, or Chris Chaney do you see using their Peavey Cirrus or Millineum models on the albums we all love listening to so much, yet all but Nathan East, OWN AND USE A LAKLAND REGULARLY. Now dont get me wrong, Im currently using a Sadowsky and an Elrick, but I do like the Lakland sound...and so does Prince...LOL.
As for my opinion on Peavey electronics being stale...THEY ARE, IM SORRY. Also, to say that I would down guys like Sheldon Dingwall or Harvey Citron, that manufacture their own pickups and preamps, then you totally missed what I was saying all together. Final point....how many studio cats like Michael Rhodes, Nathan East, Hutch Hutchinson, David Hungate, or Chris Chaney do you see using their Peavey Cirrus or Millineum models on the albums we all love listening to so much, yet all but Nathan East, OWN AND USE A LAKLAND REGULARLY. Now dont get me wrong, Im currently using a Sadowsky and an Elrick, but I do like the Lakland sound...and so does Prince...LOL.
theaterbass,
i don't think anybody's being defensive... as for debating, that's what we do here at talkbass.
also, i don't know who you're referring to about a more "mature opinion than peavey rocks dude" but if you're accusing anyone of having an immature opinion, you should read your own posts (not trying to be a jerk here) but i think you're the one that's making sweeping generalizations about skylines being as good as the US models, pros don't use peaveys (which they do), peaveys are stale, etc.
please correct me if i'm wrong,
and maybe you're responding to somebody else...
personally, if i had to choose one over the other (i've played both - have neither right now) i'd pick lakland US.
BUT, i'll say it again: Bartolinis are not BEST for everyone, some people don't like them at all, or at least for certain basses. Cirrus is not "stale". My bubinga Cirrus was not "muddy". I'm pretty sure, that's not "Peavey Rocks Dude!"
i don't think anybody's being defensive... as for debating, that's what we do here at talkbass.
also, i don't know who you're referring to about a more "mature opinion than peavey rocks dude" but if you're accusing anyone of having an immature opinion, you should read your own posts (not trying to be a jerk here) but i think you're the one that's making sweeping generalizations about skylines being as good as the US models, pros don't use peaveys (which they do), peaveys are stale, etc.
please correct me if i'm wrong,
and maybe you're responding to somebody else...
personally, if i had to choose one over the other (i've played both - have neither right now) i'd pick lakland US.
BUT, i'll say it again: Bartolinis are not BEST for everyone, some people don't like them at all, or at least for certain basses. Cirrus is not "stale". My bubinga Cirrus was not "muddy". I'm pretty sure, that's not "Peavey Rocks Dude!"
and again, if you're talking to someone else, sorry~ but please point out which statement had the 13-year old with the "Peavey Rocks Dude!" attitude.
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I formulated my opinion of the Lakland Skyline after having owned a 55-94 Deluxe and a Deluxe Dual J, both US made. I tried out every Skyline model and all equally held their own to their respective U.S. counterpart. I think were all missing the point here. To the forum member who is trying to make a clear decision as to their purchase, I was simply saying that what I think or what anyone else thinks is irrelevant, you must choose what you think is the best bang for the buck.
As for the Peavey Rocks Dude quote, I was getting the impression that someone, and Im not even sure who it was, was trying to say that Peavey delivers the quality that Lakland delivers, Im sorry, not being immature here, I simply dont agree. Hartley Peavey has cornered the market for a quarter of a century offering everything from basses to speaker cables and direct boxes. I come from the school that says you dont buy Kodak cameras and Canon film, you cant fail when someone specializes in ONE particular item and tries to make that product the very best it can be for the price. By the way, Im not at ALL an advocate for Bartolini pickups, on the contrary, I dont like them at all, it is one of the first things I plan on changing on my Elrick. Aero makes the best pickups on the market, and next would be Lindy Fralin, which you can find on Skyline models Bob Glaub, Joe Osborn, and Darryl Jones.
As for the Peavey Rocks Dude quote, I was getting the impression that someone, and Im not even sure who it was, was trying to say that Peavey delivers the quality that Lakland delivers, Im sorry, not being immature here, I simply dont agree. Hartley Peavey has cornered the market for a quarter of a century offering everything from basses to speaker cables and direct boxes. I come from the school that says you dont buy Kodak cameras and Canon film, you cant fail when someone specializes in ONE particular item and tries to make that product the very best it can be for the price. By the way, Im not at ALL an advocate for Bartolini pickups, on the contrary, I dont like them at all, it is one of the first things I plan on changing on my Elrick. Aero makes the best pickups on the market, and next would be Lindy Fralin, which you can find on Skyline models Bob Glaub, Joe Osborn, and Darryl Jones.
