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Line 6 Helix vs. Helix LT vs. Stomp XL

BigBigGuy44

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My relationship with pedals is comparable to King Henry VIII and wives. After a few month honeymoon period, I get bored or want the pedal to sound different than it does. For these reasons, I'm considering jumping into the world of multi-effects, specifically Line 6 for their frequent updates and almost endless supply of pedal options.

I most likely won't use all of the features of the flagship Helix but I also don't want to buy a Stomp XL or LT and later wish I would have ponied up for the flagship. I did briefly own the original Stomp and hated only having three buttons.

For those of you have that have the Stomp XL or LT, do you feel like you are missing anything or feel limited in what you can do with the pedal? Are only eight blocks enough on the Stomp XL? Is the flagship more intuitive to use and adjust? Is the flagship overkill for someone that doesn't need all of the features? Any insight is greatly appreciated.
 
If you're going to do some crazy looping ambient stuff like Janek Gwizdala then the XL would be the bare minimum.

If you're going to do crazy stereo or multi signal pathing or playing two instrument sinto one unit, then the LT would be the minimum.

If you want to carry a whole rig with compressors eqs drives and some modulation the Stomp works just fine for 8 blocks plus whatever you have on the outside.
 
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I started with a Stomp, and have since moved on to a the rack unit. The stomp was great for what I initially wanted/did, but I found myself doing more and needing more options. I ended up going with the rack unit over the floor for various reasons, but the floor/LT are great options too.

The difference between the LT and the Floor/Rack is pretty small. Like some i/o options and I think the scribble strips. Personally, the difference between the Stomp XL and the Helix LT is so much that it's worth the extra $250 to get. You get the pedal, extra stomps, more dsp, more i/o...

https://line6.com/documents/processor_comparison_chart/Line_6_Processor_Comparison_Chart.pdf
 
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Started with adding a stomp to my board, then removed pedal after pedal. I already had a midi controller, so that came to good use.
Ended up with more or less two h9 and the stomp, then it went further…
Today it's two hx stomp, one h9 and a drive pedal, plus midi controller.

If you don't need crazy amount of sounds, i'd say stomp xl.
If i did it all over, I'd gone floor or LT and been fine lol
 
See, that's my main concern. Stomp XL is really all I'd ever need but I don't want to get into it then down the road wish I did the LT or Helix from the beginning. I also don't want to get in over my head with a Helix and not use it because it does so much.
Honestly, I'm trying to find *more* things to do with my helix LOL. I ended up selling my stomp to one of my guitarists who uses it to run direct now. I will say that if you're just going to use it for effects, a stomp is probably more than enough. But if you plan on using it to run direct with amp and cab sims, you might want to just grab a floor/lt. It's better to have the capabilities to do more and not use it fully, than to be limited in what you might future do imo.
 
Apparently Digital Igloo has said that there's 2 products coming out next year that aren't related to the Helix in anyway.

NAMM also isn't coming up in January, but is coming up in June this year due to Covid-19 stuff.

edit: He also said in a separate post that they decided to overhaul how YGG even deveops products, and then this:

Regardless, we still have plenty of plans for the current platform. I'd be lying if I said we didn't have plenty of plans for future platforms as well (some of our in-progress product designs won't see the light of day for another 7-10 years, if at all, given the market may have changed by then), but that shouldn't be interpreted as the products you're asking about are anywhere close to around the corner. Truth be told, everyone's gonna be waiting longer than they think. Many may probably look elsewhere, and that's totally fine; there's plenty of room for everyone to dance. We'd rather stay the course and do what we feel is right, not just for us, but for our customers, current and future.
 
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I know you've already purchased a Helix LT. But I'll put my thoughts here - I own a Helix Floor and an HX Stomp.

The main considerations in terms of choosing a product from the Helix family are as follows:
  1. Footprint/physical device size
  2. Input/Output
  3. Number of DSP chips/effects paths
They all do the same thing and have access to the same blocks and effects. Each DSP path supports up to 8 blocks depending on the effects used - some effects use more processing power than others, and there is a processing limit per path. Additionally, more than one amp sim can't be used on a single path. These boundaries are true for all of the Helix products.

The main difference between the HX Stomp/Stomp XL and the Helix LT/Floor in terms of DSP is that the LT and Floor have two DSP chips that can be used in parallel in a preset (or not used at all). Therefore, they have two stereo paths with eight blocks each, which can be combined via routing into one path with sixteen blocks. There is also a feature that configures the device to limit presets to one path only, allowing for seamless preset switching by double-buffering the presets. This isn't possible on the Stomp or the Stomp XL.

I/O is also different - the larger units have more I/O and effects loops, and the larger units also support an XLR input for a microphone. The Stomp series doesn't support XLR output like the LT and Floor, but does have balanced TRS outputs for DI purposes.

Other than that - the editing experience for all of the units is honestly superb, and using HX Edit from a computer normalizes the editing experience across all devices. The larger devices have more switches, but you can add footswitch controllers to the smaller devices as well.

For those of you have that have the Stomp XL or LT, do you feel like you are missing anything or feel limited in what you can do with the pedal? Are only eight blocks enough on the Stomp XL? Is the flagship more intuitive to use and adjust? Is the flagship overkill for someone that doesn't need all of the features? Any insight is greatly appreciated.

Owning both a Floor and a Stomp, I've come to realize that floor space and I/O are the main considerations in terms of a purchase. If you want to use the Helix as the core of your setup and you might want to do something with more than one instrument (or a microphone), or if you are concerned about DSP limitations because you plan to use a lot of effects in a single preset (or a lot of poly shifting), the larger units are the only choice. If floor space is at a premium or you don't want to travel with a large pedalboard, then one of the smaller options is better.

I thought that the interface on the HX Stomp would be less intuitive than the Helix Floor due to the screen size and button layouts, but it's not - it's actually very nice and actually not that different. I like both systems, and they both work with HX Edit so you can normalize the experience (and import and export presets without issues).

The flagship isn't necessarily overkill if you don't use everything, but it does have a large footprint and I think it'd lose a lot of its value if it was paired with a physical amp instead of going direct to some type of sound reproduction if you are only using it live. However, its value as an audio interface is very worthwhile due to its extensive I/O.

I don't feel limited with the Stomp, personally. There are some things you can't do, but there's a lot that you can do. Granted, I have the full Helix for cases where I want to stretch the boundaries or work with multiple instruments on different paths at one time. That's not impossible with the Stomp, but it would involve external pedals as well.

I don't think you'll go wrong with the LT. None of the products are bad choices, but the LT's form factor is a good compromise.
 
I play guitar too. I had the LT. I went to the Kemper then.... I want a helix floor.

I like the Helix editor and such better. I find the I think the flexibility is great. For bass without any additional pedals I would get the LT. If you tour get the Floor.

If the Kemper had an amp in a box pedal I would use the HX Effects with it or pedals.
 
I went with the XL Stomp because i have no need for amp or cab sims but wanted individual buttons to switch presets and modes. I don't need the I/O of the Helix either. I really just wanted it integrated into my pedalboard and run everything through my amp. That's the beauty of the Line 6 stuff, it's pretty individualized.
 
Ended up going with the full-on Helix after finding a 15% off coupon from Musician's Friend in my junk box this morning. Footprint is if no concern and I like the idea of having labels on each switch plus the ability to modify each block on the pedal itself as well as using a computer. It also comes with Steinberg Cubase Elements music production software and the Line 6 Helix Native plugin software for free after registering. Even if Line 6 were to come out with a new product next year, I feel this has enough to keep me interested for the foreseeable future.

Also wanted to mention MF has the Helix in gold and blue, both of which look really cool.
 
I just got an HX Stomp. Was confused about how to really use it as well. Most of the videos are about building a sound, but not how to control and get different sounds on a gig.
For $20, I got a 2-button switch that plugs in, so now I can control 3 things with my feet + use the other two buttons for bypass and tuner/mute. (or could control 5 things, but that's not what I need).

Think about the context of one song. What sounds do you need, and what do you need to control for one song, as far as switching sounds? Then for the next song, you can have a different preset with different controls. So easy to set up, especially when connected to computer and using HX Edit.

So for me, for example, I had a 3-pedal board before. Envelope filter, octaver, chorus. I have one preset now on the HX Stomp that acts like that 3-pedal board, with the footswitches turning an effect on and off. Actually better than the pedalboard, because the settings are always exactly the way I left them, and I can apply the effect just to the high-end frequencies, and mix the levels of DI & effect. Plus it is smaller.

And then I can have a hundred more presets. Could set a preset up with the footswitches turning on combinations of effects, or changing settings, or swapping in units, or verse/chorus/bridge, or whatever. HX Edit encourages you to think of the presets as a "set list." Since the presets turn out to be just very small files, and you can import and export them to your computer, you can have basically infinite presets, and load 126 at a time, in the order you find convenient, for any one gig.

This is different than a big pedalboard, with 10 switches each turning on or off 1 effect each, but it is not less powerful if you plan ahead a bit.
 
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