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Looking for small tiny but loud bass cab, stuck between some...
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I'm sorry you had a bad day.
No need to take it out on a random person on the internet asking advice as a beginner to cabs.
Have a bless day and week.
If you want small, light and Very Loud...look at the BBC cabs. I have just the 112 tank and it's insanely loud but they have larger louder offerings. Every time I meet another bass player in the wild using one we talk about how insanely loud they are.
I would add mine has my mesa boogie speakers collecting dust in the garage.
I would add mine has my mesa boogie speakers collecting dust in the garage.
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I'm sorry if it seemed rude, but in my experience small and loud never worked on stages with loud guitar amps, a losing proposition unless very competent monitors or IEM's are involved, in which case a competent front of house mixer would have reigned them in.
Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Honestly I read back at your post and I am really sorry. I know tones are hard to read and just the internet but reading back I understand what you mean and respect your thoughts.
Either way have a great day.
If you're looking for "small", and no single 10" can handle the power of a med-high powered head (500-800W @ 4 Ohms), instead of a 2X10, I'd look at a 112 - that's going to be the smallest/lightest "serious" speaker that can take enough power to get LOUD. Everything else (210/115/etc.) is going to require a larger cabinet. I'm a fan of my SW112, but of course, opinions vary....
Good luck, let us know what you decide!
Good luck, let us know what you decide!
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I'll be another anonymous interneter jumping on the Barefaced train. These are no compromise cabinets and have a price tag commensurate with that quality. But they're among the top few builders out there.
I don't have a Super Twin but I have a pair of Big Baby 2's and am extremely happy with them. They're a very easy carry, handle ridiculous amounts of power, put out an amazing amount of sound, and sound fantastic (very clean/transparent). If you want a transparent cabinet that will put out what you put into it, the Barefaced 12" series is a great choice. Given your genres, you might also consider the XXX10 series, which are designed to be a more ... proper/traditional (?) .. sounding bass cabinet. The TWO10 or FOUR10 would be great choices depending on the volume level you need (or a pair of TWO10s so you could stack them vertically). I have a ONE10 that I mostly use at home, but it does have a more traditional/vintage tone than the 12 series cabinets. Neither series is better, it just depends on what you want.
Alex Claber, the owner/designer of Barefaced is a member here and active in the Barefaced Club thread. You can ask him questions there or contact him through the Barefaced site. He's very helpful and has a reputation for guiding you to the right cabinet given your requirements/goals.
I've never tried these but, if I were buying new cabinets and didn't have my Barefaceds, some other cabinets I'd give serious consideration to are the Genzler Bass Array series, the Mesa Subway series, Bergantino (I used to own their old AE410, great cabinet!), and RevSound (never used them but I heard a bass player use one of their 2x10s and was quite impressed). Michael Arnopol Soundworks (MAS) is another cabinet maker at the bleeding edge of speaker tech and has a great reputation here on TB, but I don't know much about his models other than they supposedly deliver very high quality sound at volume levels you wouldn't expect from the relatively small drivers he uses.
I don't have a Super Twin but I have a pair of Big Baby 2's and am extremely happy with them. They're a very easy carry, handle ridiculous amounts of power, put out an amazing amount of sound, and sound fantastic (very clean/transparent). If you want a transparent cabinet that will put out what you put into it, the Barefaced 12" series is a great choice. Given your genres, you might also consider the XXX10 series, which are designed to be a more ... proper/traditional (?) .. sounding bass cabinet. The TWO10 or FOUR10 would be great choices depending on the volume level you need (or a pair of TWO10s so you could stack them vertically). I have a ONE10 that I mostly use at home, but it does have a more traditional/vintage tone than the 12 series cabinets. Neither series is better, it just depends on what you want.
Alex Claber, the owner/designer of Barefaced is a member here and active in the Barefaced Club thread. You can ask him questions there or contact him through the Barefaced site. He's very helpful and has a reputation for guiding you to the right cabinet given your requirements/goals.
I've never tried these but, if I were buying new cabinets and didn't have my Barefaceds, some other cabinets I'd give serious consideration to are the Genzler Bass Array series, the Mesa Subway series, Bergantino (I used to own their old AE410, great cabinet!), and RevSound (never used them but I heard a bass player use one of their 2x10s and was quite impressed). Michael Arnopol Soundworks (MAS) is another cabinet maker at the bleeding edge of speaker tech and has a great reputation here on TB, but I don't know much about his models other than they supposedly deliver very high quality sound at volume levels you wouldn't expect from the relatively small drivers he uses.
Hey all
I'm not planning on buying these this second but I want to save and write down which cab to go with for my main rig.
I been looking at a lot of different options and I am truly amazed how many smaller amps there really is.
So far I been really stuck and thinking of going with Barefaced (Super twin so far) or the Orange OBC112 (May also look into the 115) Price isn't the issue since this will be a goal but, it is nice to save up and have the best for a price in mind. I know Bareface also needs to make your cab so that will take time but I do not mind if it means getting quality. Phil Jones I love and if I had the money would get some but I find a lot of people have very mixed and conflicting views on them, I do love the C8 but IDK I am enjoying Bareface the most for smallest amps. I also saw a punk show with my friend and the bassist was using I believe OBC112 and I was amazed how loud he was, two guitarist playing loud overdriven with Marshalls and a loud drummer would a 22 inch kick I would say, and he was cutting through and it sounded good! Of course that place prob had a PA but he was in time and I felt he had some headroom I was in the front and heard it loud and clear!
Budget is open right now, I would like to stay within the 800 to 1500 USD, I mean know bareface is a-lot so I'm open to it, I just do not want someone dropping "get two of this cab" and its 3k in total.
So models I been really eyeing, also this is just cabs, not amp heads that is totally different worry and day right now,
Super Twin (Open to thoughts on other models from Barefaced)
Orange OBC112 (Probably will have to get two, also open to hearing info on OBC115)
I'm looking for info on these if you have experience with, love to hear it!
Some models I'm in the middle but will give a look - C8 Phil Jones, Trace Elliott ELF 1x10, Also looking at Markbass cabs, a lot to choose from so uhh open to hearing about some if you have some nice small cabs!
Also genres played: Blues, Hill-Country Blues, Indie, Shoegaze, almost anything...
I have no idea for future venues and stuff, most places have PAs but there is always that anxiety of no PA... I am bad overthinker forgive me please LOL, I somewhat accepted we'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Even though I do drive, I want to get a rig that basically if I had walk (using a cart of course, one of those fishing carts my dad and I used at the beach lol or for his work) or taking the train, metro etc. I probably will be driving mostly to places but you know it is nice on the back, even though I am 22 I sadly suffer from pelvic, back and other pains so would like to keep them OK for a gig lol.
Goal is to find something, a one size fits all type of rig, I don't mind stacking something like the Orange or hearing what Bareface like big baby may stack better or even if the C4 may stack. Again budget is open but would love if I could keep it in the 800 to 1500 lets say since a Super twin is roughly I believe 1500 USD alone. As always if you know a cheaper alternative similar to my goals please drop them below.
Have an amazing day, and week all!
I can’t help you with a choice of cab, but if I was buying a cab I’d start with how many dB you need from it. Then, know the efficiency of the cab as well as the frequency range next. I’ll let the engineers here do the calculations to figure out the math on the efficiency of a cab at a given wattage. I’m just a financial planner, I don’t do arithmetic.
Make sure you aren’t buying a cab that it’s rated wattage is less than the output of your amp, and I’d you need a second cab, that you will not drop below the minimum ohm load of the amp.
Best wishes and good hunting.
Wow, I didn't know Alex was on here helping out! I hate to waste his time in emails at this moment only because it will be for a bit till I have the funds for a Barefaced but it is the goal! Thank you for your share and details! I glad it's working, it seems many swear by Barefaced and I just love the light and small touch to some of the models.
Yeah, contact Alex via email! It won't be a waste of time and he actually encourages contacting him. He has an uncanny ability to suggest the best cab for you by asking you a series of questions about your current rig. He suggested the Super Compact T for me.
Hey all
I'm not planning on buying these this second but I want to save and write down which cab to go with for my main rig.
I been looking at a lot of different options and I am truly amazed how many smaller amps there really is.
So far I been really stuck and thinking of going with Barefaced (Super twin so far) or the Orange OBC112 (May also look into the 115) Price isn't the issue since this will be a goal but, it is nice to save up and have the best for a price in mind. I know Bareface also needs to make your cab so that will take time but I do not mind if it means getting quality. Phil Jones I love and if I had the money would get some but I find a lot of people have very mixed and conflicting views on them, I do love the C8 but IDK I am enjoying Bareface the most for smallest amps. I also saw a punk show with my friend and the bassist was using I believe OBC112 and I was amazed how loud he was, two guitarist playing loud overdriven with Marshalls and a loud drummer would a 22 inch kick I would say, and he was cutting through and it sounded good! Of course that place prob had a PA but he was in time and I felt he had some headroom I was in the front and heard it loud and clear!
Budget is open right now, I would like to stay within the 800 to 1500 USD, I mean know bareface is a-lot so I'm open to it, I just do not want someone dropping "get two of this cab" and its 3k in total.
So models I been really eyeing, also this is just cabs, not amp heads that is totally different worry and day right now,
Super Twin (Open to thoughts on other models from Barefaced)
Orange OBC112 (Probably will have to get two, also open to hearing info on OBC115)
I'm looking for info on these if you have experience with, love to hear it!
Some models I'm in the middle but will give a look - C8 Phil Jones, Trace Elliott ELF 1x10, Also looking at Markbass cabs, a lot to choose from so uhh open to hearing about some if you have some nice small cabs!
Also genres played: Blues, Hill-Country Blues, Indie, Shoegaze, almost anything...
I have no idea for future venues and stuff, most places have PAs but there is always that anxiety of no PA... I am bad overthinker forgive me please LOL, I somewhat accepted we'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Even though I do drive, I want to get a rig that basically if I had walk (using a cart of course, one of those fishing carts my dad and I used at the beach lol or for his work) or taking the train, metro etc. I probably will be driving mostly to places but you know it is nice on the back, even though I am 22 I sadly suffer from pelvic, back and other pains so would like to keep them OK for a gig lol.
Goal is to find something, a one size fits all type of rig, I don't mind stacking something like the Orange or hearing what Bareface like big baby may stack better or even if the C4 may stack. Again budget is open but would love if I could keep it in the 800 to 1500 lets say since a Super twin is roughly I believe 1500 USD alone. As always if you know a cheaper alternative similar to my goals please drop them below.
Have an amazing day, and week all!
Small, or Loud. Pick one.
The Audiokinesis Changeling 1x12s I have are very impressive. They use the later-model drivers that allow more cone excursion than previously and can get shockingly loud without compromising tone. I was initially hesitant about the midrange drivers instead of tweeters, but have found this speaker combination to sound a lot more musical for bass guitar.
The x-factor with these is that the midrange driver is in a separated section of the cabinet and there is a port on the top side, which enables more of the sound to escape in that direction and to my ears if I'm standing next to it. And, there is an additional rear-facing midrange driver that shoots sound at the back wall. I didn't know how much effect it would have, but bandmates report back that they can hear me very well with these.
I acquired these a couple years before the pandemic; even then they were handbuilt in limited quantities. Not sure whether Duke LeJeune is building them currently or at what pace - but if you can find them they are awesome. 30 pounds each.
The x-factor with these is that the midrange driver is in a separated section of the cabinet and there is a port on the top side, which enables more of the sound to escape in that direction and to my ears if I'm standing next to it. And, there is an additional rear-facing midrange driver that shoots sound at the back wall. I didn't know how much effect it would have, but bandmates report back that they can hear me very well with these.
I acquired these a couple years before the pandemic; even then they were handbuilt in limited quantities. Not sure whether Duke LeJeune is building them currently or at what pace - but if you can find them they are awesome. 30 pounds each.
That's not necessarily true, you just have to look at the frequency response for the cabs.
You can get small loud cabs. That's easy.
A little trickier is small loud cabs that reproduce the lower notes (say, a low C#, drop D on bass tuned half step down) fully and not just the higher harmonics.
But there are certainly small loud cabs with a wide frequency response, OP has a flexible budget, it's just a question of looking at the specs.
The Super Twin can reproduce a low 37hz. If you're playing notes lower than that you are likely operating industrial machinery, because those frequencies are cut off on most recordings.
It's a solid 15 lbs lighter than my Peavey 2x10 that bottoms out at 54hz.
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I have a 110, Super compact and Super Twin. The Super Compact will blow away anything you listed except the Super Twin
Hey all
I'm not planning on buying these this second but I want to save and write down which cab to go with for my main rig.
I been looking at a lot of different options and I am truly amazed how many smaller amps there really is.
So far I been really stuck and thinking of going with Barefaced (Super twin so far) or the Orange OBC112 (May also look into the 115) Price isn't the issue since this will be a goal but, it is nice to save up and have the best for a price in mind. I know Bareface also needs to make your cab so that will take time but I do not mind if it means getting quality. Phil Jones I love and if I had the money would get some but I find a lot of people have very mixed and conflicting views on them, I do love the C8 but IDK I am enjoying Bareface the most for smallest amps. I also saw a punk show with my friend and the bassist was using I believe OBC112 and I was amazed how loud he was, two guitarist playing loud overdriven with Marshalls and a loud drummer would a 22 inch kick I would say, and he was cutting through and it sounded good! Of course that place prob had a PA but he was in time and I felt he had some headroom I was in the front and heard it loud and clear!
Budget is open right now, I would like to stay within the 800 to 1500 USD, I mean know bareface is a-lot so I'm open to it, I just do not want someone dropping "get two of this cab" and its 3k in total.
So models I been really eyeing, also this is just cabs, not amp heads that is totally different worry and day right now,
Super Twin (Open to thoughts on other models from Barefaced)
Orange OBC112 (Probably will have to get two, also open to hearing info on OBC115)
I'm looking for info on these if you have experience with, love to hear it!
Some models I'm in the middle but will give a look - C8 Phil Jones, Trace Elliott ELF 1x10, Also looking at Markbass cabs, a lot to choose from so uhh open to hearing about some if you have some nice small cabs!
Also genres played: Blues, Hill-Country Blues, Indie, Shoegaze, almost anything...
I have no idea for future venues and stuff, most places have PAs but there is always that anxiety of no PA... I am bad overthinker forgive me please LOL, I somewhat accepted we'll cross that bridge when I get there.
Even though I do drive, I want to get a rig that basically if I had walk (using a cart of course, one of those fishing carts my dad and I used at the beach lol or for his work) or taking the train, metro etc. I probably will be driving mostly to places but you know it is nice on the back, even though I am 22 I sadly suffer from pelvic, back and other pains so would like to keep them OK for a gig lol.
Goal is to find something, a one size fits all type of rig, I don't mind stacking something like the Orange or hearing what Bareface like big baby may stack better or even if the C4 may stack. Again budget is open but would love if I could keep it in the 800 to 1500 lets say since a Super twin is roughly I believe 1500 USD alone. As always if you know a cheaper alternative similar to my goals please drop them below.
Have an amazing day, and week all!
it looks like you’re pretty set on the Barefaced Cabs. I have zero experience with them other than I’ve heard nothing but great reviews and rarely see them being sold used.
That being said, I haven’t seen anyone say anything about Schroeder cabs on here. I have 4 of them and I love them! I use 12’s and both the 1/12 and 2/12 cabs are ridiculous. Like people have already said you’re not going to get an egregious amount of bottom end out of the 1/12 but it handles a buttload of power and is very loud. I like a lot of bottom and have used my 1/12 in several situations. As long as you’re not on an outside festival stage or in a huge venue the 1/12 holds its own. The 2/12? It’s super thick sounding. If you need more volume than it can produce you’re either deaf or playing in the middle of a corn field.
they’re reasonably priced. They’re also very lightweight and built like tanks. I can’t say enough good things about them.
Good luck!
I second the Audio Kinesis suggestion. I have a Thiunderchild 112, and it gets plenty loud. Another advantage (for me) is that it's pretty transparent, so it is well suited to modelers.
