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Looking good TB.

#302
Lobster11 said:
Now I'm really confused. Even from a non-computercentric perspective, "leave conversation" means to me "I don't want to continue this conversation anymore right now." It doesn't mean that I'll never want to pick it up again at some point in the future, and it certainly doesn't mean that I want to erase any record of it ever having happened!
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Semantics, I guess. As I said, I think they were looking for a way to better... oh, what's the word... bond (I guess) with a broader audience. When vBulletin was first programmed, it was definitely written for (Visual Basic) programmers, by (James Limm and John Percival) programmers. XenForo was/is an attempt at capturing a more mainstream audience.
 
#303
Doodaddy said:
Sadly it's still awful.

Vbulletin is the only option worth acknowledging. I don't care what the the admins say about it. This is terrible. I will never be a supporting member for this forum again nor will I even open the site unless I have a specific reason to be forced here.
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First, it's vBulletin, not Vbulletin.

Second, you might be surprised to learn that 3 of the gentlemen responsible for the code and financial workings that went into making vB 3.6 (which is what TalkBass had been using) are the same 3 gentlemen that are responsible for the software TalkBass is running now (XenForo).

Third, vB, at least the vB you love so much (the 3 series and to a lesser extent, the 4 series) is not long for this world. The internet moves on. PHP and MySQL, etc. advance in functionality and requirements. HTML, et al move ahead with changes that must be addressed by the forum script. Unfortunately, vBulletin Solutions, Inc. (the subsidiary of Internet Brands which purchased vBulletin from Jelsoft in July of 2007) has ceased work on the version 3 and version 4 series of vBulletin (some one from vB will undoubtedly come here and say that is not accurate, so let me say, they probably will address any critical bugs that may arise, but for all intents and purposes, anything below version 5 of vB (as of this writing) is EOL--end of life).
As a result, people responsible for internet forums are moving away from vB. If not to XenForo then to Invision Power Board (IPB) or something else. As stated above, they have to or face the reality of altering the existing code themselves to stay abreast of all of the changes. That becomes a VERY expensive proposition (both time and money) when you're looking at a large system like TalkBass.

Fourth, change can be difficult. I too love vBulletin. I and many more like me have spent more than a decade working with the code and enjoying what became really the best forum script in the world. Unfortunately, that time is over. The company vB forums are a ghost town compared to what they once were. It's really been hard for many people. Lots of folks made their living from supporting vBulletin administrators (theme designers, add-on programmers, system optimization help, SEO, etc.). Not much left in those arenas either. Some have hung on longer than others, but as Paul stated in one of his messages about the TalkBass change, it's been 2-years in the making for his decision.

Finally, I would encourage you to give it a chance. As I said, change can difficult, but it can lead to growth! :thumbsup:

Hope that helps...
Allen
 
#307
Meh....I've relearned to navigate, find stuff I'm looking for, etc., but it still sucks. Way more PITA than it needs to be to do simple tasks. Way too "facebookey".

I won't ragequit, but I also won't be involved at the level I used to be. It's not fun anymore...it's "work" just to operate this stuff.

So, more selective as to when I spend time here and how involved I am when I am here.

There was nothing wrong with the old way at all. Worked just fine and was very intuitive. This thing here seems more like a social site....adolescent crap.

Also, the emoticons totally suck. By far the worst thing with this change.


If it ain't broke......
 
#308
will33 said:
Meh....I've relearned to navigate, find stuff I'm looking for, etc., but it still sucks. Way more PITA than it needs to be to do simple tasks. Way too "facebookey".

I won't ragequit, but I also won't be involved at the level I used to be. It's not fun anymore...it's "work" just to operate this stuff.

So, more selective as to when I spend time here and how involved I am when I am here.

There was nothing wrong with the old way at all. Worked just fine and was very intuitive. This thing here seems more like a social site....adolescent crap.

Also, the emoticons totally suck. By far the worst thing with this change.


If it ain't broke......
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You're aware that the old site was broken, right?
 
#311
MJ5150 said:
That's understandable, which is why when you click to leave it asks you if you want to resume the conversation later. You can say yes. :D

-Mike
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Thanks, Mike. It still seems a little counter-intuitive to me, but that alleviates much of my concern.

I should add that, although I chimed in on this particular point in a critical manner, I generally am impressed with the new system. I'm definitely struggling to learn how things work now, and how to do things that I used to do, but every time I find (what seems like) a problem, I eventually learn/figure out that the new system can do everything the old system could do, and much more. It's gonna take a little time and patience to adjust, but on balance the new system looks like a big improvement. Kudos, guys!
 
#313
Those who think it wasn't broken need to take 6 seconds and read the FAQs.

How come I can't buy a phone with a dial? Why must I dial the area code to call my neighbor? Why is there a $.9 number tacked to the end of the price of gas? How come my favorite weight loss supplement disappeared when that new disease was discovered?

Derp
 
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#314
The new TB app on my droid is definitely better than before. There are a few extra things I don't need but they are easily ignored. I think the change is a very positive one. We will all get used to it.

FWIW - based on my experience with different members and what I know of them, it seems to me that the people who are raging the most and having the most trouble are members who are a little older than the others.
 
#315
tastybasslines said:
The new TB app on my droid is definitely better than before. There are a few extra things I don't need but they are easily ignored. I think the change is a very positive one. We will all get used to it.

FWIW - based on my experience with different members and what I know of them, it seems to me that the people who are raging the most and having the most trouble are members who are a little older than the others.
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I'd probably (reluctantly) put myself as one of the chronologically challenged and I think its both a positive change, on both my android and PC, and a necessary one for efficiency, security and continuing technical support. :)
 
#316
In the announcement on the old site, right before the update, the reason is that, much like Windows XP, the support for the old vBulletin software is gone. There will be no more updates for it. It was a necessity. Just like rotary phones, CRT televisions, 8-track tapes, VHS, and analog odometers, we must move on.
 
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#319
Unrepresented said:
Aside from inconveniencing you, do you know why they finally upgraded?
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Some older, unsupported code or whatever, yeah I get that. Apparently changing every last little thing was really needed to do that?....whatever. If it weren't for the retro skin and disabling all the extra stuff I couldn't stand to look at this thing, but I don't suppose whining about it will help anything, so, I'll just deal with it and not post as much.
 

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