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Low Down Sound Club: V2

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#541
lomo said:
The Shuttle 9 sounds great through it, but I have to apologize for not spending that much time with the Shuttle plugged in, since the M9 sounds so much more punchy, powerful and deep through it. I know both are rated about the same at 8 Ohms, but the M9 crushes the Shuttle in terms of volume, even accounting for gain slopes. I was able to absolutely dime the Shuttle (earplugs mandatory) and was worried I'd shatter a window....but neither my ears nor the rehearsal space (aka my basement laundry room;)) could tolerate the M9 master beyond 1 o'clock.
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Thanks for the review, lomo. I take your point about the M9 providing superior "oomph" for your 15/6 cab over the Shuttle 9.0. But I've been thinking that the Shuttle 9.0 might be an ideal match for a pair of LDS fEarful 12/6/1 cabs - with 500 watts going to just one cab, and about 450 watts each going to both of them.

I realize that you've probably never heard a fEarful 12/6/1, but on the basis of your experience with an LDS 15/6, plus your experience with the Shuttle, how well do you think these components would match up?

Thanks,

MM

P.S. Oops! Almost forgot: "We are no longer the Knights Who Say Ni! We are now the Knights Who Say: 'Ekki-ekki-ekki-pitang-zoom-boing!'"
 
#542
Don't get me wrong, the Shuttle 9 sounded excellent and if I didn't have the M9 next to it I'd have been tickled. I'm sure it would play well with the pair of 12s.


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MysticMichael said:
Thanks for the review, lomo. I take your point about the M9 providing superior "oomph" for your 15/6 cab over the Shuttle 9.0. But I've been thinking that the Shuttle 9.0 might be an ideal match for a pair of LDS fEarful 12/6/1 cabs - with 500 watts going to just one cab, and about 450 watts each going to both of them.

I realize that you've probably never heard a fEarful 12/6/1, but on the basis of your experience with an LDS 15/6, plus your experience with the Shuttle, how well do you think these components would match up?

Thanks,

MM

P.S. Oops! Almost forgot: "We are no longer the Knights Who Say Ni! We are now the Knights Who Say: 'Ekki-ekki-ekki-pitang-zoom-boing!'"
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#545
Of all the LDS/fEarful cabs I've seen, this is without a doubt the best looking. The attention to detail is superb! I cannot imagine a better marriage of retro and modern design.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
guy n. cognito said:
It's here!!!

LDS 15/6.5/1 (fEarful inspired)
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#547
You LDS enthiusiasts have been chatting it up about 15/6's and such, but does any of you have a 4x8 cab? I orderred one and might order another cab to cut lead time, since Don is pretty well backlogged. The question is what to add to a 4x8? Another 4x8? a 15/6? It is hard to say without actually stacking them up on stage, so I am soliciting opinions. I have ahandful of heads, bu the one I am using lately is the Genz Benz shuttle MAX 6.0 which sounds great with my old SWR cabs.

-Wes
 
#548
I have a 4x8+horn.
It's a great cab, and is capable of covering all but "big clubs with irresponsibly loud bands."

I sometimes add a 2x8 with it.

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#549
wmheilma said:
You LDS enthiusiasts have been chatting it up about 15/6's and such, but does any of you have a 4x8 cab? I orderred one and might order another cab to cut lead time, since Don is pretty well backlogged. The question is what to add to a 4x8? Another 4x8? a 15/6? It is hard to say without actually stacking them up on stage, so I am soliciting opinions. I have ahandful of heads, bu the one I am using lately is the Genz Benz shuttle MAX 6.0 which sounds great with my old SWR cabs.

-Wes
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If you get a 15/6 to go along with it, you'll be covered for any sized venue aside from a stadium.

I'd love to hear a review of the sonic differences between the two.
 
#550
A 4x8 and 15/6 is a really weird combination that I would not suggest bothering with.

If you want a 4x8, pair it with another 4x8 or a 2x8 of double ohmage, or a single subwoofer (15 sub) low passed. The 8s should have so much content above 800hz or so that a 3015LF sub low passed @ ~600-800hz should help balance them out.
 
#551
I agree with rpsands: I don't think the 8's and a 15/6 would be a great pairing.

I can tell you that my 4x8 is generally plenty, and adding the 2x8" makes a bigger cab than my Henry 8x8."
 
#553
A lot;)
The ceramic long throw 8's are heavy lil speeks.
I think it's ~70lbs, but I don't have a scale that goes that high handy.

I know it weighs more than my Epi 410UL.

The 2x8 weighs 47lbs.
 
#555
No need to frown.
Not everything needs to be flyweight.

The 4x8 has wheels, and rolling it and my head of choice into a club is easy.
The 2x8's are not prohibitively heavy, and no harder to carry than my Mesa Boogie Walkabout Scout.
 
#556
Thanks for the input! I am eager to start using the new 4x8. I suppose the best thing to do is use it by itself for starters then sell Henry the 8x8 to raise funds for a second LDS to stack.
BTW I am playing in church with Henry this AM, but this is a very young church where we play all sorts of tunes like U2 and the Rolling Stones as long as it fits the sermon series. It is bizarre that the only time I've used distortion on bass in the last decade was here at church for a U2 cover of 'Magnificent' from the new cd.
 
#557
BTW the 'flyweight' comment rings true with me. Your cabinet should not sound different if someone stands on it! I noticed this with an Epiphani 1x12 pair that belongs to a friend of mine. I figure you could bring a cinder block to put on top of the Neo cab and Class D amp to make is sound better ;)
 
#558
lomo said:
I've had a couple of days with my new LDS 15/6. It's the squat version, identical to Ukiah's except for metal corners. No tweet. Duratex. The fit and finish are 1st class all around and it was packed like a tank. Weighs about the same as my Epi UL2-310, around 45 lbs. Note this is a preliminary impression based on practice with and without the full band. I placed it on a stand about 20" off the ground and compared it to my 310 with both M9 and Shuttle 9 heads. Dingwall Afterburner 1-5.

I now understand what Kjung means when he talks about getting grindy mids from a traditional 2 way cab when the low freq driver is pushed (as in my 310), compared to the cleaner mids and bigger bottom that I hear from the 15/6. He can have those grindy mids :p, I'll take the smoother, clearer mids, thank you. I didn't mess with the mid attenuator at all-just left it at its' "normal" midpoint. It was just as easy to hear myself as with the 310, but the mids are definitely clearer and cleaner. The bottom is fatter, deeper and wider than the 310, which is not bottom-shy in its' own right. This cab gets louder in both the mids and lows than my 310.
The Shuttle 9 sounds great through it, but I have to apologize for not spending that much time with the Shuttle plugged in, since the M9 sounds so much more punchy, powerful and deep through it. I know both are rated about the same at 8 Ohms, but the M9 crushes the Shuttle in terms of volume, even accounting for gain slopes. I was able to absolutely dime the Shuttle (earplugs mandatory) and was worried I'd shatter a window....but neither my ears nor the rehearsal space (aka my basement laundry room;)) could tolerate the M9 master beyond 1 o'clock. Apart from the volume advantage, the M9 instantly and easily gave that incredibly pleasing chest thump I crave-this combination gave me the most gorgeous low-mid punch I've ever produced. The 310 is FS. I'll keep the Shuttle 9 for convenience, but since my gigs are sporadic, the M9-15/6 will see all of them and happily, luxuriously exceeds my nominal gigging needs:D! I'll post again after my next gig in late April. For you real pros and regular weekend warriors, I can safely say that although this 15/6 may or may not not equal a 410 in volume,given enough power it surely goes lower, louder, cleaner than the Epi 310. At around 700 this cab is not only the best I've played yet, it's also the best deal.
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Nice review, and yes, the upper mids are very different with this type of cab, for better or worse, depending on what you dig.

And +1, I would guess comparing that Shuttle 9 to the Mesa M9 would be like bringing a knife to a gunfight:smug:
 
#560
Updated review after everything has sunk in with my 15/6/1:

The Carvin DCM2000L being driven by a Tech 21 VT Bass just didn't work. Too narrow of a voicing for such a widely voiced cab. The 15/6/1 wants something really wide with deep bass extension, a more polite midrange to handle the aggressiveness of the 6ND410 and a sparkly, airy top end. The key to the whole thing is having adequate control of the midrange, specifically the upper midrange which can get pretty ganky through the 6ND410 if you don't dial it back a bit.

The cab has been performing extremely well, only being pushed by my Markbass LMTube (500 watt class A/B version), which is only putting out a maximum of 300 watts into an 8 ohm load. It's certainly not pushing the cabinet to full excursion, but it's definitely getting the job done for full volume rehearsals with no PA support for anything but vocals, a heavy-hitting drummer, a guitarist with a Fender Hot Rod Deville 410, a singer with a Mackie PA for his vocals and an acoustic guitar. As long as you're not trying to fill a huge venue with no PA support I'm convinced that 300 watts and a relatively flat EQ, which still sounds fat through this cab, certainly could get the job done.

It can't all be good unfortunately. I'm finding that this cab is a bit noisy. There's always a bit of hiss coming through the 6ND410 (which I have set just below noon on the L-Pad) and the tweeter (which I have set at about 5% above closed on the L-Pad). I've experienced this with the Carvin DCM2000L/Tech 21 VT Bass and the LMTube. I demo'd this cab using the power section of a few tube amps owned by my guitar player, but I don't recall whether it was noisy with those or not. I wonder if anyone else has noticed this issue...? It's not enough to be noticeable in playing situations, but I imagine it would be problematic in a studio setting.

All in all I'm really enjoying this cab and think it will be a solid performer for a long time. 8.5, possibly 9 out of 10 in all regards at this point.
 
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