Foz intimated that the dimensions were more than a 1/4" mod for 3/4" plywood, and that at least an inch was shorted from the depth.
Foz, can you clarify exactly how far the dimensions are off?
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Low Down Sound Club V3
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Foz intimated that the dimensions were more than a 1/4" mod for 3/4" plywood, and that at least an inch was shorted from the depth.
Foz, can you clarify exactly how far the dimensions are off?
Mine may be off too but I don't care, because I gave Don license to make subtle mods (e.g. the bracing and midrange chamber) -- He asked me first, and I OKayed it. I'm not picky and told him as such.
However, that doesn't change anyone's right to be picky if they want to be. I'm super picky about other things, e.g. I was a huge pain in the ass about the crossover, and the port area.
You left this out:
That makes the dimension argument moot, for any reasons other than aesthetics and obstinance. I don't know about you, but I can't see that little of a difference.Craig_S said:
Moot to you maybe but if he ordered and they agreed on certain dimensions and they turned out differently, he's got a legitimate complaint.
It is not for you to say what his priorities are and I don't see why this seems to upset you.
He has a complaint only because he chooses to, not because the change makes a real difference. Does that make more sense?
sure thing!
i used my two 2x8's stacked horizontally, with a Sadowsky MV5 and a walkabout head last night.
great stuff.
i used my two 2x8's stacked horizontally, with a Sadowsky MV5 and a walkabout head last night.
great stuff.
Howdy people;
let's let the last round of back and forth that closed this rest and get back to regular business.
thx.
let's let the last round of back and forth that closed this rest and get back to regular business.
thx.
I do think a very valid issue was being discussed. To make things clear for everyone... are we not allowed to discuss that issue at all? Or perhaps just do it more calmly or something...? Thanks for opening the thread again, regardless.
Well, here's the cab I got. I haven't had the opportunity to play out with it yet. It sounds good in my living room, and I like the bass response I am able to get from it, but passed a not particularly loud volume level it starts to get not so good sounding. That's most likely the head's fault. I've only used my Mesa 400+, which starts to distort right about when you're getting close to the lower region of the power levels necessary to get the cab to sing. The Mesa, when properly eq'd, sounds fine through the cab to a point, but I think I need 800-1200 watts to get this cab to really deliver what it's capable of. I do like that my Jazz bass has a pleasant amount of bass when I use my preferred bridge only/no neck pickup selection.
I made an assumption that it was an exact fEarful spec cab before I laid my money down, because I read this in Ken Jung's post #971 from the previous thread:
"Just happened to talk to Don today (don't see him much these days as he gets caught up on orders), and he mentioned that he had a 1515/66/1 'FearFul' spec cab sprayed with the heavy duty truckbed stuff, and it came out somewhat rough (he said the black spray on finish looks a bit like it has measles... bumpy)."
I did not feel the need to verify that it was an exact spec fEarful cabinet with Don after reading that. I understood from Ken's description of the cab as a "'Fearful' spec cab" that it was an exact fEarful spec cab. In fact, it is only spec-ish. My purpose is not to indict either Ken or Don, both of whom are serving the TB community rather graciously. Rather, I'm trying to illuminate how communication can fall through the cracks. I don't recall whether the cab's dimensions were discussed by Don and I. I had no cause to believe that it was not an authentic fEarful design, and felt no concern or question about the accuracy of the cab's specs.
Apparently, the Great Spirit in charge of things needed to remind that me that when dealing with custom work, one must specify, verify, and then specify and verify again, and then do it again in order to preclude problems. I don't think that anyone can rationally argue that if a specific design is agreed upon, and something other than that is delivered, then that's not cool. I only assumed that the cab was a genuine fEarful design, and I am remiss in this regard. I fell through a communication crack, and it's easy to see why I assumed the cab to be the genuine article.
Don's workmanship is a sight to behold. I hope that the smaller dimensions of the cab don't really matter, and the cab wails.
Moderators: I am posting this because I hope to share my experience in this matter with other TB'ers in the hope that they do not experience the costly ($850.00) disappointment that I did. I'm done with the matter, but not necessarily done with purchasing an LDS product. If the cab performs, she stays; if not, I'll sell it, and chalk it up to the cost of learning. I'll definitely be a lot more circumspect regarding a cab's specifications, believe you me.
I made an assumption that it was an exact fEarful spec cab before I laid my money down, because I read this in Ken Jung's post #971 from the previous thread:
"Just happened to talk to Don today (don't see him much these days as he gets caught up on orders), and he mentioned that he had a 1515/66/1 'FearFul' spec cab sprayed with the heavy duty truckbed stuff, and it came out somewhat rough (he said the black spray on finish looks a bit like it has measles... bumpy)."
I did not feel the need to verify that it was an exact spec fEarful cabinet with Don after reading that. I understood from Ken's description of the cab as a "'Fearful' spec cab" that it was an exact fEarful spec cab. In fact, it is only spec-ish. My purpose is not to indict either Ken or Don, both of whom are serving the TB community rather graciously. Rather, I'm trying to illuminate how communication can fall through the cracks. I don't recall whether the cab's dimensions were discussed by Don and I. I had no cause to believe that it was not an authentic fEarful design, and felt no concern or question about the accuracy of the cab's specs.
Apparently, the Great Spirit in charge of things needed to remind that me that when dealing with custom work, one must specify, verify, and then specify and verify again, and then do it again in order to preclude problems. I don't think that anyone can rationally argue that if a specific design is agreed upon, and something other than that is delivered, then that's not cool. I only assumed that the cab was a genuine fEarful design, and I am remiss in this regard. I fell through a communication crack, and it's easy to see why I assumed the cab to be the genuine article.
Don's workmanship is a sight to behold. I hope that the smaller dimensions of the cab don't really matter, and the cab wails.
Moderators: I am posting this because I hope to share my experience in this matter with other TB'ers in the hope that they do not experience the costly ($850.00) disappointment that I did. I'm done with the matter, but not necessarily done with purchasing an LDS product. If the cab performs, she stays; if not, I'll sell it, and chalk it up to the cost of learning. I'll definitely be a lot more circumspect regarding a cab's specifications, believe you me.
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Assumptions can lead to disappointment.
Hope that you aren't disappointed with the sound once you find an amp that can drive it (I'm surprised that the Mesa can't).
The various LDS threads indicate that most of the LDS fEarful-ish cabs are only semi-fEarful and that seems to be his default build if you are not more specific up front.
I'll bet the cab will be fine. I got a WW Ultra, (2, actually), and that head should deliver the goods. Hopefully tomorrow night my friend will use it at The Bitter End in NYC at a jam, and we'll get to hear the cab in a good environment, using a Carvin BX1500.
Remember that this is a new speaker and needs some break in before it sounds the way it should. Mine took about 4 hours of playing to sound right.
I'll also remind you that Ken does not work for Don, and would be the first one to tell you that he does not speak for him.
Finally, I found that Don was very clear with me that he did NOT build a "fEarful" exactly to the "specs" provided by Greenboy. Different exterior material thickness results in a need for less bracing......according to Don.
I'll also remind you that Ken does not work for Don, and would be the first one to tell you that he does not speak for him.
Finally, I found that Don was very clear with me that he did NOT build a "fEarful" exactly to the "specs" provided by Greenboy. Different exterior material thickness results in a need for less bracing......according to Don.
I understand that the physical dimensions do not match the cut sheet for what is basically a boutique, custom, no-production run, DIY-or-Do-It-By-Commission speaker cabinet.
But I fail to see how/where/why/what the problem is.
Does it sound different than an exact spec fEarful? Is its performance worse than an exact spec fEarful? Do you simply regret buying a B-stock cabinet with a sub-par coating?
While I doubt there is any problem with the tuning, changing (shrinking) internal dimensions does limit the maximum low end response. It's probably minor, maybe half a db under 60hz.
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