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Double Bass M line Wizzy vs. VL 208

Hey, how bout we try to resist the temptation to rehash the "new VL208 that won't ever happen" thread. I'm already bored with that.

Phil,
I'm with you. Parting is sweet sorrow, but it's time for all of us to move on.
EA already has. Their into Neo Speakers and Whizzer Cones, in Transmission Line Boxes. Better SPL, easier to build, lighter weight. It just wouldn't make any business sense to built the......... again.

Ric
 
Tom Bowlus He brought the M Line Wizzy which I immediately stole and took to tonight's gig. He was smart enough to come take it back after we finished playing or I may have kept it for myself.

Really great sounding box. Very light with a tiny footprint. Much more manageable size and weight than the VL 208.

Without a doubt a contender to the VL208 on DB.

It was loud as hell. The 4 ohm thing really works the Focus IIR3. I hardly had it cracked on at all. Big round sound. Headroom for days. The side porting makes the lows go sort of everywhere. Very ambient box. In a friendly room its really open and big. I suspect in less forgiving or boomy rooms it may be handicapped by those ports. It seems very placement dependant.

I think with especially bright basses and strings it would make a nice compliment. Spirocores would kick butt through this box I think. It would round out the buzz saw and make them round out nice while still cutting.
I set it flat turned it up to a reasonable volume and ran it without tweak the whole night. Never touched a thing and didn't really want to. Overall a very accurate and pleasing sound.

I suspect with busy or loud drummer the box may get a bit muddy or lost. I don't know for sure as I didn't have a drummer around. Thankfully.

I didn't run it out at all. I'd be interested to see how it sounded when I really heat it up and try to hang with lots of racket. I suspect that the 8's really show their muscle in those circumstances.

I'll play next week in that room with the VL208 so I'll be able to better gage the distinction between the two. I'll post again then.

I've never tried a VL208 so i cannot make that comparison, but the M-line as Phil says here really is a GREAT box.

Phil, in a bad sounding room the M-line shines. It seems to make the sound much more managable and it responds better to the Focus 2rIII's EQ section than other cabs i've tried. So much so that I've stopped using my LR Baggs Para eq/direct box w/ the Focus/M-line rig.

It does not get muddy or lost w/ a drummer. You'd be pleasantly treated to the bass sitting just perfectly in the mix and when you dig in just a bit the highs and mids pop out in a very pleasing way that just cuts right thru w/o raising your volume. You guys should hear two M-lines stacked, talk about headroom for days...as loud a rig as I would need for my loudest gigs and sounds nice and punchy w/ BG as well. One is surprisingly loud when you need it to be, two can handle most any large room w/o PA help.

At low volumes w/ DB, an Audix 20i mic in one channel, a Realist in the other, just about the best sound I could ever want. The other night I did a jazz trio gig w/ bass, keyboards, and flute in a large restaurant. The keyboardist's combo amp was so underpowered, small and of low quality that I told her to plug into the 2nd channel of the Focus and I used the first. She had a Yamaha weighted action keyboard w/a full a 88 keys and a heavy left hand. The M-line Wizzy handled both signals in stride. I didn't miss having the speaker all to myself at all. W/ other cabs the other instrument would normally use up too much of the sonic "room" that the speaker has, making the bass sound less deffined, maybe even distorted when the other intstrument played too many notes. Not so w/ the trusty WM-line. At times I forgot the keys were in my speaker as well.

BTW- Spiros DO kick butt thru it and w/ my very dark Prescott the W-M brings out just the right amount of mids that the Ag GS112 (although a really nice cab) somehow lacked w/ this set up...and it was heavier.

BG
 
I can dig it. All I'm saying is that while I ain't exactly Hercules here, I don't think that the VL208 is any kind of a beast to move at all.

You gotta be joking. I'm a small guy but not a 10 lb weakling. It's one thing to be able to just pickup the cab and another to be able to carry it one hand with the bass in the other and be able to handle stairs, awkward doors, etc. That's the reality for me. I hate being able to make two trips and a trolley is not always practical (when you get to stairs for example).
 
I use a light folding dolly with largish wheels. When I get to stairs, I pull it up the stairs, but I usually take the bass up the stairs in a separate trip. But I have to lift it up and put in on the speaker stand (which goes inside the upturned gig stool on top of the cab when on the dolly) and take it down every night, and it seems a small price to pay. I wouldn't describe myself as a large guy either, but I've yet to meet a DB speaker where weight was really a consideration. I thought the CXL-112 was a PITA to lug around, but that was more because of the size and the weight combined. If the M-line speaker was considerably lighter but the box was larger, I'd probably consider that a drawback.
 
You gotta be joking. I'm a small guy but not a 10 lb weakling. It's one thing to be able to just pickup the cab and another to be able to carry it one hand with the bass in the other and be able to handle stairs, awkward doors, etc. That's the reality for me. I hate being able to make two trips and a trolley is not always practical (when you get to stairs for example).
Well, my bass w/ the case and wheel is about 40 lbs., so I'm not runnin' up any stairs w/ that and the WM-L in the other hand, but you CAN carry it in one hand. It balances really well placed sideways on a luggage cart and is a good shape for putting others things on top. I roll w/ it thru the streets (and over curbs) of NYC w/ the bass rolling out in front of me in my left arm w/ the WM-L on the cart behind me w/ my right. It's no more hassle than carting around a Polytone Mini-Brute w/ a 15".
Chris, no pole mount on the bottom, but it has a tilt back handle that I almost always use.

BG
 
Same club, same group, same room, same spot. VL208 instead.

Initially I missed the warm low mids of the M line. I was very taken by the 3D thing it does. Nicely ambient. The whole bass sounded more even up and down the board with the M line.

Once I got back in the groove with the 208 I remembered why I like it. The VL208 has much more upper mids and highs so it cuts way better. The lows on the 208 extend very low. Gives up the floor rattle on the low E. The wizzy M truncated down there as if it had a natural high pass filter somewhere around 100hz. When we were playing really soft the 208 did its job whereas the M wizzy got a bit diffuse and inarticulate in comparison.

Overall I could gig with either box and be totally happy.

This experiment didn't make me want to get rid of the 208s but it did make me want to sell the VL210 for the Wizzy M line.

Any takers?
 
Big News from EA. In Mike Dimin's newsletter he writes that the M-Line Wizzy is now in the regular product line AND all 12" Wizzy models with come in either 4 or 8 ohms!!!

I guess all the positive response to the M-Line Wizzy was enough to put this cab into production.
 
Well then thanks to everyone that responded positively! And thanks for the news.

After reading over Phil's experience with it, I was really itchin' to hear one of these M-lines standalone. And also to hear one paired with my regular Wizzy. This thread finally kind of sealed the deal in my mind - just as the M-lines were reportedly becoming more difficult if not impossible to find.

Tom, whatcha think? A regular Wizzy stacked with an M-line?
 
I think it would sound great. I believe Tom Bowlus paired them together. But think of the other possibilities with an 8 ohm Wizzy. I could be paired with other cabs that weren't available due to the ohm differences.

And then the Wizzy 10 that's coming out too!!
 
The main menu on the EA web site touts the "New Wizzy." That is not the same as the M-line. It just refers to the newer Nub-Tex finish on the "old" Wizzy 112 cab.

The Wizzy M-line appears toward the bottom section of Link Removed, along with the new Wizzy 110, and the old/new regular Wizzy 112.
 
FWIW, I have found that for me there is a threshold at 30 lbs. I have an EA CxL-110 which weighs 34 lbs, and it feels a lot heavier than my original Wizzy 112 which weighs less than 30 lbs. I can carry the Wizzy several blocks and up and down stairs fairly easily without getting worn out. By contrast the CxL-110 feels like picking up an anvil, and my VL-208 feels heavy and cumbersome even when it's on my 2-wheeler cart. While I'm sure the M-line Wizzy is a great cab, I really like the unique characteristics of my old Wizzy very much including it being very easy to transport.
 

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