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#41
Pilgrim said:
From the original news story, if I were the parent there would be at least one lawsuit against the school. I might forgive the t-shirt idiocy (only after a public apology from the school), but I'd go after that teacher who ripped off the microphone with all guns blazing.
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We have more than enough frivolous litigation, and certainly enough frivolous decisions by stupid and fearful people like the administrator in the news story.
 
#43
bassybill said:
You're right. That's one big "IF". ;)

But yes, I agree that the term "PC" is often used when people are trying ridiculously hard to avoid causing offence where none can properly be taken. But that is my point really - it may be political (I suppose) but I really don't see anything correct about it. Quite the opposite. And it's clearly a bad term when it's got a lot of folk thinking that it's actually desirable to be politically incorrect. How on Earth is that supposed to work?

Sounds like you'd agree, I think?
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While it doesn't make sense, that's the way the term has been used since it's inception and I believe that's why the term developed a backlash or negative connotation overnight.

So yes, while I agree that the term doesn't make sense as it is worded...it's hardly the only one is this language and I don't see any sense in trying to redefine it.

Mike
 
#44
bassybill said:
You're right. That's one big "IF". ;)

But yes, I agree that the term "PC" is often used when people are trying ridiculously hard to avoid causing offence where none can properly be taken. But that is my point really - it may be political (I suppose) but I really don't see anything correct about it. Quite the opposite. And it's clearly a bad term when it's got a lot of folk thinking that it's actually desirable to be politically incorrect. How on Earth is that supposed to work?
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Ironically, "political incorrectness" is often politically correct. And vice-versa.
 
#45
mike_v_s said:
While it doesn't make sense, that's the way the term has been used since it's inception and I believe that's why the term developed a backlash or negative connotation overnight.

So yes, while I agree that the term doesn't make sense as it is worded...it's hardly the only one is this language and I don't see any sense in trying to redefine it.

Mike
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Yeah, I know I'm ******* in the wind a little here. I just wish sometimes people would be a little more precise with the language instead of trotting out easy phrases like "PC" that don't really mean what people intend them to mean. It makes it harder to describe someone who actually is "politically correct" in the literal sense of the term. Like me. ;)

I suppose it is easier to type PC than to type "unjustifiably, pompously and nauseatingly indignant, about something that is transparently inoffensive, for no good reason whatsoever, contrary to any sort of rational thought and motivated only by a desire to appear sympathetic to people who aren't as vulnerable as some would like to kid themselves and who actually despise the self-important arrogance of those who mistakenly think they're protecting the dignity of people that they are insulting by presuming to speak on their behalf."

I'm going for a lie down now.
 
#46
bassybill said:
I suppose it is easier to type PC than to type "unjustifiably, pompously and nauseatingly indignant about soemthing that is transparently inoffensive for no good reason whatsoever, contrary to any sort of rational thought and motivated only by a desire to appear sympathetic to people who aren't as vulnerable as some would like to kid themselves and who actually despise the self-important arrogance of those who mistakenly think they're protecting the dignity of people that they are actually insulting by presuming to speak on their behalf."

I'm going for a lie down now.
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I think you're on to something, though. Not only is the above sentence/paragraph more detailed, I find it more accurate and a pleasure to read. If more people put the time, effort, and (dare I say it?) poetic beauty into expressing their contempt for things, the world would be more like one of Monet's Water Lilies and less like a crayon-scribbled menu for the Red Lobster where the hostess only gave the 5 year old the brown Crayola.

Don't color a menu, my man. Paint a masterpiece.

Mike
 
#48
mike_v_s said:
I think you're on to something, though. Not only is the above sentence/paragraph more detailed, I find it more accurate and a pleasure to read. If more people put the time, effort, and (dare I say it?) poetic beauty into expressing their contempt for things, the world would be more like one of Monet's Water Lilies and less like a crayon-scribbled menu for the Red Lobster where the hostess only gave the 5 year old the brown Crayola.

Don't color a menu, my man. Paint a masterpiece.

Mike
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:D

Ranting - it's what your spleen is really for.
 
#50
When I was in high school (electricity had just been invented) I wore a t-shirt that had two buzzards looking at each other with one saying "Screw this, I'm gonna kill somethin."

The principal called me in his office about it. Chewed me out. I had a long sleeve shirt on open in the front and he just made me button it up to hide the t-shirt.

The assistant principal told me on the way out it was one of the funnier shirts she'd seen.

I doubt that humor would be acceptable given today's school climate. I'm not sure it was acceptable back then.
 
#51
awakefie said:
When I was in high school (electricity had just been invented) I wore a t-shirt that had two buzzards looking at each other with one saying "Screw this, I'm gonna kill somethin."

The principal called me in his office about it. Chewed me out. I had a long sleeve shirt on open in the front and he just made me button it up to hide the t-shirt.

The assistant principal told me on the way out it was one of the funnier shirts she'd seen.

I doubt that humor would be acceptable given today's school climate. I'm not sure it was acceptable back then.
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You'd be in a padded cell somewhere, because you were a tragedy waiting to happen. :rollno:

Overreaction is the status quo these days.

-Mark
 
#53
Take this from the guy that has been a US citizen for a whole week now, but does anyone else consider 'flag clothing' disrespectful and tacky??

If you are supposed to be respectful to the flag and store it, fold it, and even dispose it correctly; how come people make it a tie dye shirt that they sweat on, and throw on the laundry pile?
 
#54
jomahu said:
uniforms. all the way.

cannot stress this enough.
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Uniforms with American flags on them, for sure. Sometimes school administartors lose touch with the real world. A few years ago in this neck of the woods, we had a school's vice-principal (female) making girls lift their skirts before going into a dance to make sure they weren't wearing a thong.

When asked why by the media, she replied, "It's for their own safety." What ... she's afraid hornets may fly up their skirts? Lightning, perhaps?
 
#56
Munjibunga said:
. A few years ago in this neck of the woods, we had a school's vice-principal (female) making girls lift their skirts before going into a dance to make sure they weren't wearing a thong.

When asked why by the media, she replied, "It's for their own safety." What ... she's afraid hornets may fly up their skirts? Lightning, perhaps?
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I tried that too but I was looking for no panties, I just got slapped a bunch of times. :(
 
#57
I don't see what the problem is here really. According to the article, the dress code did not allow "shirts/blouses that promote specific races, cultures, or ethnicities". Let's face it - a shirt with the American flag all over it is promoting a 'race, culture or ethnicity'. So he WAS in breach of the dress code, and therefore deserved the DCV shirt.

Now I realise that you Americans are in general a lot more patriotic than the average Brit (and I am a lot less patriotic than most), and probably think that the US flag should be an exception to that particular rule in the dress code, but the way I see it, if the dress code for the school says it, then that is the rule.

And if you are going to allow the American flag, how can you make it the only exception? Surely you have to then allow any flag? The article seemed to imply that if you were Mexican or Chinese you could get away with your flag, but what about anyone else?
 
#58
Happynoj said:
I don't see what the problem is here really. According to the article, the dress code did not allow "shirts/blouses that promote specific races, cultures, or ethnicities". Let's face it - a shirt with the American flag all over it is promoting a 'race, culture or ethnicity'. So he WAS in breach of the dress code, and therefore deserved the DCV shirt.

Now I realise that you Americans are in general a lot more patriotic than the average Brit (and I am a lot less patriotic than most), and probably think that the US flag should be an exception to that particular rule in the dress code, but the way I see it, if the dress code for the school says it, then that is the rule.

And if you are going to allow the American flag, how can you make it the only exception? Surely you have to then allow any flag? The article seemed to imply that if you were Mexican or Chinese you could get away with your flag, but what about anyone else?
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Your post makes far too much sense to be acceptable on this side of the Atlantic.
 

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