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Mandantory Drug Tests

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#61
Skitch it! said:
But may be an incentive? It's a tricky question full stop, there are those who take advantage of benefits, there are those whom need the help. Unfortunately a few rotten apples (and increasing) spoil the barrel, I wouldn't feel it fair to tar everyone with the same brush, that's to easy. There are many different reasons why people may need the support, poor education, family background, unemployment statistics. Students are coming out of University with little prospect in the current job market and $31,700+ student debt to start with.

But regardless of random drug testing, the capable definitely should be involved in some kind community work, if only for their own self image, it certainly wouldn't hurt anyone, that's for sure ; )
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When you raise the minimum wage, everything else goes up in price as a result. Other prices adjust to cover the cost of even a $.25/hr increase in the minimum working wage, so everyone makes more, but everything is worth more at the same time, thereby making the minimum wage, still, the minimum wage and those on it, the absolute bottom rung, financially speaking.
 
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sloasdaylight said:
When you raise the minimum wage, everything else goes up in price as a result. Other prices adjust to cover the cost of even a $.25/hr increase in the minimum working wage, so everyone makes more, but everything is worth more at the same time, thereby making the minimum wage, still, the minimum wage and those on it, the absolute bottom rung, financially speaking.
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Losing on the swings what you gained on the roundabouts as they say, yes, in that context there is seemingly no gain, though I would hope that the initial gesture, would plant a seed. Nothing is that simple unfortunately, I suppose you make your own luck at the end of the day.
 
#63
sloasdaylight said:
When you raise the minimum wage, everything else goes up in price as a result. Other prices adjust to cover the cost of even a $.25/hr increase in the minimum working wage, so everyone makes more, but everything is worth more at the same time, thereby making the minimum wage, still, the minimum wage and those on it, the absolute bottom rung, financially speaking.
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This is really reducing a rather complex multivariate problem to a really simple micro economics 101 level.

Lets just say the following tend to be true:

1) Costs to consumers go up, but not as much as costs to employers (employers don't pass on 100% of increase)

2) Cost increases do not equally effect all goods. Not only are more expensive goods likely to see greater increases in total dollar amounts, they often see greater increases percentage wise (high priced goods are more effected by the passed on costs)

Whether a minimum wage increase overall improves the quality of life and buying power of those at the lower end of the wage scale is far from a simple question to answer... and often minimum wage increases DO work to redistribute wealth.
 
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Skitch it! said:
Losing on the swings what you gained on the roundabouts as they say, yes, in that context there is seemingly no gain, though I would hope that the initial gesture, would plant a seed. Nothing is that simple unfortunately, I suppose you make your own luck at the end of the day.
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Raising the minimum wage by and large just puts a little bit more money in the pockets of high school kids and Wal-Mart greeters, at the expense of the companies who employ them, who will then be less likely to hire new employees.


If minimum wage isn't enough for you, I suggest getting a skill and a better job.
 
#65
basstotheface said:
No one here seems like they know anything about this. There are huge problems.

The biggest being that what happens when people that are on drugs stop receiving benefits? They rob, kill, get killed. You have to look at all the pages, apparently most people only see the book cover.

One of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
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This. Perhaps there could be mandatory drug tests, and instead of denying aid to those who fail, providing them with help to get over their drug problems. 'Course, that raises the question of how to fund all of that...
 
#67
I think the question everybody's failing to ask, particuarly those who would support such legisliation is: Would the reduced cost of kicking out of assitance programs the beneficiaries who test positively for drug use offset the cost of administering the drug tests?
 
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Floyd Eye said:
Raising the minimum wage by and large just puts a little bit more money in the pockets of high school kids and Wal-Mart greeters, at the expense of the companies who employ them, who will then be less likely to hire new employees.


If minimum wage isn't enough for you, I suggest getting a skill and a better job.
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You need career opportunities, students with degree's are handing out plenty of C.V's here for jobs that they are well over-qualified for, they are not getting them. It's a bit of a different scenario this side of the pond, bit of a vicious circle.
 
#72
I am all for drug testing, community service and placing limits on how long a person can receive the benefits you mentioned. I also think the system has to stop rewarding people for having more children. If you are getting welfare, one of the requirements should be that you cannot have any more children until you are off of it.
 
#73
I am for drug testing, community service and placing limits on how long a person can receive the benefits you mentioned. I also think the system has to stop rewarding people for having more children. If you are getting welfare, one of the requirements should be that you cannot have any more children until you are off of it.
 
#74
Floyd Eye said:
Plenty of that over here right now too. I guess the scamulous packages didn't work eh?
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If there is a job shortage for skilled jobs, how come the US govenment is pushing through more and more of the specialist visas? (don't know the code for them)

(I've got several friends from Uni who walked into jobs in the US with their PhDs, while over here everybody is screwed job-wise!)
 
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i_got_a_mohawk said:
If there is a job shortage for skilled jobs, how come the US govenment is pushing through more and more of the specialist visas? (don't know the code for them)

(I've got several friends from Uni who walked into jobs in the US with their PhDs, while over here everybody is screwed job-wise!)
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Because US educational institutions are not producing enough qualified people for most high tech industries. Also, I would like to point to Microsoft moving operations to Canada as a result of the government refusing to allow more HB1 visas.
 
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