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Mark Hoppus Tone???

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Siegy said:
Let's all call Mark Hoppus trash because he doesn't play jazz like everybody else on TB! Yeah!!!

chill out guys, so what if it's not your thing, you dont need to come in here and talk trash about him. If you don't have anything to add to the conversation, just stay out of it.
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I'm not trashing his music. Sure, it's not in my sphere of listening but I understand why others might dig it. But discussing the guy's music and discussing the guy's tone are two very different things. And in my opinion, his tone could be better, especially considering the music they do. That said, the second video (what I watched of it) is much closer to the tone that I'd expect for that genre.

For reference, when I did a fill in years ago with a punk pop band, the tone I went for was a lot like one found on Invalid Link Removed. Click on "Pick Punk" with rounds and the bridge pickup.
 
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TheBigO said:
I'm not trashing his music. Sure, it's not in my sphere of listening but I understand why others might dig it. But discussing the guy's music and discussing the guy's tone are two very different things. And in my opinion, his tone could be better, especially considering the music they do. That said, the second video (what I watched of it) is much closer to the tone that I'd expect for that genre.

For reference, when I did a fill in years ago with a punk pop band, the tone I went for was a lot like one found on Invalid Link Removed. Click on "Pick Punk" with rounds and the bridge pickup.
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Man, I love that Jazz clip with flats and the neck pickup, is that a well known song or improvised? It sounds familiar.
 
#43
BassistSVT said:
I'm IN LOVE with Mark Hoppus's tone from his Blink 182 days.

A great example of the sound I'm talking about is their 2000 private show in San Diego. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yYxq-r77Y1o)

Does anyone know what settings i need to get this tone?
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Hey, I was at that show! I dig Marks's tone,it totally works for the style of music he does.Pretty much what everyone else said.P-Bass, SVT and rounds(mabye stainless).If you can't get an SVT, a Sansamp BDDI and any P style passive bass with a pick should do the trick....
 
#50
fenderbassabuse said:
Aside from that, and not to go too far off topic, but Tom Delonge shot have been fired from the band there and then for the way he handled his broken string. Totally un-professional IMO.
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hes a punk rawker. what do u expect him to do?


'Im sorry i broke a string. Mark, Trav. can u guys stop please stop playing while I get a new guitar. To all the fans out there, I apologise for the hic cup and inconvenience caused'

thatd be perfect aint it
 
#51
BrandonBass said:
hes a punk rawker. what do u expect him to do?


'Im sorry i broke a string. Mark, Trav. can u guys stop please stop playing while I get a new guitar. To all the fans out there, I apologise for the hic cup and inconvenience caused'

thatd be perfect aint it
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I gotta agree. What he did might've been unprofessional for a jazz trio or something else, but that's not what you expect to see from the hometown band at a small venue. If anything, playing it off the way he did makes it even more awesome.
 
#52
thesteve said:
I gotta agree. What he did might've been unprofessional for a jazz trio or something else, but that's not what you expect to see from the hometown band at a small venue. If anything, playing it off the way he did makes it even more awesome.
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+1, Also to the comments that his tone is horrible and wouldn't want to be achieved, you should do your research. You don't have to like the music, or the tone, but you should respect it because it is perfect for their type of music. Here's a good example of his tone - - he comes in at about 10 seconds. His tone helps cut through the mix, while still providing a foundation. Since they don't have a rhythm player, this helps a lot.
 
#53
AqueousView11 said:
+1, Also to the comments that his tone is horrible and wouldn't want to be achieved, you should do your research. You don't have to like the music, or the tone, but you should respect it because it is perfect for their type of music. Here's a good example of his tone - - he comes in at about 10 seconds. His tone helps cut through the mix, while still providing a foundation. Since they don't have a rhythm player, this helps a lot.
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Honestly I disagree with you completely, from word one. First, the tone people were commenting on was in the clips provided earlier in the thread, in which he cannot be heard hardly at all. Thats all the "research" needed- he asked how to achieve that tone, and I said "what tone?" In the track you provided here, his tone only "cuts through" when the rest of the mix is wide open- as soon as the full guitar-chord mix fills up, he all but disappears. I'll admit you can still hear a low rumbling noise underneath the guitars, which indicates a bass, but that is not much of a foundation nor is it "cutting through". I think his tone does not support the music, and it is not "perfect for their type of music" unless you will say "their type of music" requires no bass foundation, just a low-tuned rhythm guitar.

Because he does not support the mix, I have no reason to respect his tone.
 
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bongomania said:
Honestly I disagree with you completely, from word one. First, the tone people were commenting on was in the clips provided earlier in the thread, in which he cannot be heard hardly at all. Thats all the "research" needed- he asked how to achieve that tone, and I said "what tone?" In the track you provided here, his tone only "cuts through" when the rest of the mix is wide open- as soon as the full guitar-chord mix fills up, he all but disappears. I'll admit you can still hear a low rumbling noise underneath the guitars, which indicates a bass, but that is not much of a foundation nor is it "cutting through". I think his tone does not support the music, and it is not "perfect for their type of music" unless you will say "their type of music" requires no bass foundation, just a low-tuned rhythm guitar.

Because he does not support the mix, I have no reason to respect his tone.
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Do you really expect his tone to fully cut through the mix of distorted guitars? In the verse of many of the songs, the bass provides the foundation. How doesn't it work for their type of music?
 
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Its an upright, but it should get you the desired sound I imagine
 
#56
AqueousView11 said:
How doesn't it work for their type of music?
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It doesn't just work, it is the standard. As everyone above has pointed out it is a P bass played with a pick into an Ampeg. It is the perfect bass tone for this genre and many others. There is not another bass tone in the world that pleases my soul like this. That said, I don't pull this tone out on my gigs when I am playing duets with violin or acoustic guitar.
 
#57
AqueousView11 said:
Do you really expect his tone to fully cut through the mix of distorted guitars?
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I'm saying nothing about Mark or his tone. But just that line, my answer: Yes. Absolutely. I can do it. Brian Cook can do it. Mike Dirnt can do it. Eric Judy can do it. Matt Friedman can do it. Krist Novoselic can do it.

Flat out, there is no excuse not to cut through. For music to be properly appreciated, everything must be heard. Regardless of what kind of music. It would suck to go to a punk show and not be able to clearly hear the bass. It would suck to go to a pop show and not be able to hear the vocals. It would suck to go to a funk show and not be able to hear the guitar.

A well managed, tight band is all about balance. Everyone should work together with their EQs, so as to prevent any over lapping. My rhythm guitarist loves upper mids. My lead guitarist likes it scooped. So I focus my tone in the low mids. Everyone is heard equally. That's how things work, and without that cooperation a band is essentially resigning itself to a poor and cluttered mix, and a less enjoyable show.

You can approximate, and then further improve on his tone. That tone is a fairly flat tone really, a tube head, steel strings, a pick, and an aggressive attack. You want that? Get a Fender, a Tube head, string her up, and at your next practice, have everyone sit down and lay out their EQs, knowing that a focus in mids, somewhere in the range between 400-800hz, will be necessary for you as the bassist. When everyone is out of each others way, the mix will be far clearer than that of Blinks, and you will essentially have a tone similar to Marks, but audible at all times.
 
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Ok, who says it's the goal of every bassist to cut through the mix? There is also, for example, the school of thought that bass should be felt rather than heard. While I don't agree with that school of thought because even the fundamental of of my E string, or my lowest frequency at 41.2 Hz, is still in the human high fidelity hearing range (which extends down to 20 Hz), I do respect that idea and players who choose to approach the instrument that way.

I'm not making any assumptions about whether Mark Hoppus intends to cut through with his bass tone or not, but we can't call someone else's tone crap simply because it does not achieve what we would like to achieve with our own tones. We really don't know what Mark Hoppus intends to achieve with his tone. Sure if it's his goal to cut through, then Mark Hoppus' tone clearly sucks, but I don't think we should make the assumption that every bassist intends to cut through with their tone.
 
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