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Markbass amps/cabs???

#21
Interesting subject havent tried a Markbass head yet, however i just bought a used MB 410 (traveller 104) one of the older models without the yellow speakers, and so far im pretty impressed.

I am using it with a iamp 800 which sounds great you have the punch of the MB cab (which seems to be the main characteristic)and the cystal clear tones of the iamp.

I bought the 410 cab to use on louder rock / blues gigs (my main gig now) and i think it will serve very well, when compared with my NL210 the NL210 is much clearer and uncoloured, however the MB cab for louder rock / blues gigs will work a treat. Depends a lot on what style of music your playing.
 
#22
Coelho said:
Not a fan of front ported cabs. To give an idea, I was using Bergantino AE210, also rear ported. For me, front ported may sound good in a store, in your living room... Rear ported sounds better (more controlled) in a stage.
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I owned the 104HR, but I could not live with the lows. On big stages I always wanted more lows, on small stages I found it more difficult to controll the lows. If I had to place it near the wall or in a corner, the lows sounded unnatural to me, almost like a surround-effect. The HF sound the same on all stages, good..
IMO/IME the HF sounds great on stage, used it for almost two years now.
 
#24
Port location doesn't matter. The freqs that come out of the port are omni-directional so the port can be anywhere on the cab. Any difference in low end response you hear is from the size of the cab and its tuning, but the port can go anywhere.
 
#25
JimmyM said:
Port location doesn't matter. The freqs that come out of the port are omni-directional so the port can be anywhere on the cab. Any difference in low end response you hear is from the size of the cab and its tuning, but the port can go anywhere.
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That may be theoretically correct, but when you place a rear-ported cab against the wall or in a corner, things happens in the lows for sure
 
#26
bugbass said:
That may be theoretically correct, but when you place a rear-ported cab against the wall or in a corner, things happens in the lows for sure
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Put any cabinet against a wall or in a corner and the same (or similar) thing happens.
 
#29
Coelho said:
Not a fan of front ported cabs. To give an idea, I was using Bergantino AE210, also rear ported. For me, front ported may sound good in a store, in your living room... Rear ported sounds better (more controlled) in a stage.
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You are confusing port placement with cab tuning. The MB cabs that are rear ported are smaller in internal volume than the front ported cabs, and have completely different tweeters (and I assume crossovers). The difference in sound you are hearing has NOTHING to do with the placement of the port.

While there are a few rear ported cabs that have such poor port design (i.e., a hole cut right behind the driver) that they become overly sensitive to placement, in general, port placement has no impact on tone, since the 'sound' coming out of the port is at such a low frequency that it's omnidirectional.
 
#30
KJung said:
You are confusing port placement with cab tuning. The MB cabs that are rear ported are smaller in internal volume than the front ported cabs, and have completely different tweeters (and I assume crossovers). The difference in sound you are hearing has NOTHING to do with the placement of the port.

While there are a few rear ported cabs that have such poor port design (i.e., a hole cut right behind the driver) that they become overly sensitive to placement, in general, port placement has no impact on tone, since the 'sound' coming out of the port is at such a low frequency that it's omnidirectional.
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I'm pretty sure at least with the 104HF and 104HR that the horn and crossover frequency is the same... I know some of the smaller rear ported combos only have piezo tweeters indeed of full horns (CMD121P vs CMD121H)
 
#32
Mr_Dave said:
I'm pretty sure at least with the 104HF and 104HR that the horn and crossover frequency is the same...
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I think you are correct on the 410's. That being said, the port placement is not the key driver of the differences in the tone of those cabs. They have very different internal volumes, and I assume the tuning is also different. I have not tried the smaller, rear ported model, but didn't dig the larger one at all... dark, compressed and low mid humped to my ear.

That being said, I didn't get to try that cab with the SD800. It's all about the mix and match. I have a feeling the wide low end of the SD800, along with the 'brightness' of the voicing of that head might really sound good with that larger 410. I have a friend (actually a quite famous friend) who is using that 410 with the SD800 and loves it.
 
#34
KJung said:
I think you are correct on the 410's. That being said, the port placement is not the key driver of the differences in the tone of those cabs. They have very different internal volumes, and I assume the tuning is also different. I have not tried the smaller, rear ported model, but didn't dig the larger one at all... dark, compressed and low mid humped to my ear.

That being said, I didn't get to try that cab with the SD800. It's all about the mix and match. I have a feeling the wide low end of the SD800, along with the 'brightness' of the voicing of that head might really sound good with that larger 410. I have a friend (actually a quite famous friend) who is using that 410 with the SD800 and loves it.
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yeah, i find the front ported quad pretty mid humped and barky but with a big bottom end. Really thumps in a loud rock mix. The rear ported one sound more balanced to me (a little less bottom and barky mid range)... I think you're right about the SD800 matching up well - the markbass cabs are pretty mid heavy. I do really like the CMD121P though - powerful, light and small and cuts though well....
 
#37
KJung said:
You are confusing port placement with cab tuning. The MB cabs that are rear ported are smaller in internal volume than the front ported cabs, and have completely different tweeters (and I assume crossovers). The difference in sound you are hearing has NOTHING to do with the placement of the port.

While there are a few rear ported cabs that have such poor port design (i.e., a hole cut right behind the driver) that they become overly sensitive to placement, in general, port placement has no impact on tone, since the 'sound' coming out of the port is at such a low frequency that it's omnidirectional.
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Tweeters and crossovers are the same in the HR/HF cabs as far as I know
 

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