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Im not talking about that, Besides my questions were already answered by other people earlier today. Yes I dont want to argue either. And I also rather learning from others who know better
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Markbass cabs, the sound you're looking for?
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Are you trying to state that im not experienced? No im not Mark King. But iv been playing bass for most of my life and know my way around. Iv only just recently needed a new rig and came to markbass Beacuse they are light and sound good.
I have no idea what your experience level is but some of your questions lead me to believe that you're young. That's a fault that time will eventually cure.
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This was also my experience when comparing my B&C and Yellow Line single twelve cabs. Whether my older B&C was more "broken in" through time and the newer Yellow Line was "stiff" which affected their sound, I don't know?
However, there is an adage that goes: "almost everything can be made a bit cheaper...... and a bit worse."
I have been playing Markbass for (I'm guessing) at least 16 years. I started before Guitar Center took over distribution; back before the speakers were yellow.
I think the old speakers may have been slightly better sounding, but my new rig sounds great too.
I do agree with a previous statement that mentioned the stark difference in sound between the various MB cabinets.
For years my rig of choice was a CMD102P combo with a STD151H. That's my favorite rig.
I've also used the very mid focused and Barky 104h cab. I went back to the 15.
I recently switched to a ninja 500IV combo and 121h ext cab to save space. It's still a good rig but these cabs don't sound as good to me.
I think the old speakers may have been slightly better sounding, but my new rig sounds great too.
I do agree with a previous statement that mentioned the stark difference in sound between the various MB cabinets.
For years my rig of choice was a CMD102P combo with a STD151H. That's my favorite rig.
I've also used the very mid focused and Barky 104h cab. I went back to the 15.
I recently switched to a ninja 500IV combo and 121h ext cab to save space. It's still a good rig but these cabs don't sound as good to me.
Yes, but a while after, they were not.
Around 2009 or so they moved to Eminence making their speakers and currently Eminence still make them.
All Marshall area speakers from 2012 when Marshall bought Eden on were made by Eminence.
Until Eden went into no mans land last year. Now who knows who makes their stuff???
On the new Eden website.
EDEN FAQs | EDEN Amplification
> Q: Who makes the speakers you use in your cabinets?
A: Eden designs its own speaker drivers and originally manufactured them in our own factory. We also designed drivers for other companies too. These days we use manufacturing facilities that offer only the best in production techniques and materials. Our drivers are made to our design and specification for the authentic Eden tone.
For better dates on the move from inhouse making of speakers,@Rip Van Dan should be able to provide.
Thanks Dan.
Yes, and @Deleted member 389437 may be talking about a speaker made well after 2008.
AKA an Eminence Made Eden, which your post towards @Deleted member 389437 claim do not exist.
I like my MarkBass cabs…just what my boomer wallet ordered.
To quote Pi_Husky "If you took off the markbass logo and it had HF ports that would totally look like old Eden DXLT series cabs!" He said OLD DXLT cabinets. I simply tried to make him aware that the original (OLD) EDEN speakers were made in house under the supervision of David Nordshaw. And they look NOTHING like B&C drivers.
Now, it's possible that "OLD" to him and I are two different things.
I'm trying to remember exactly when it was. David left in 2009 and it happened before he left. I think Eminence was trying to duplicate the speakers in 2008 and after going through three prototypes they absolutely nailed it. David shared his designs along with the T/S specs with them and then tested the prototypes they produced until they got it just perfect. So I'm not sure if it was 2008 or 2009. @Bassmann1968 might actually have the date on that if we're lucky. But they were an exact match for the sound and all the specifications although they weren't manufactured exactly the same.
We had a few people who came on the Eden Forum back then who said they had been worried the Eminence manufactured ones might not measure up to the original Eden manufacturing, but that they had replaced a blown speaker in their 210, 410, or 212 and said the sound is exactly the same as it ever was. The Eden by Eminence speaker wasn't any brighter or warmer, stronger or weaker than other Eden in-house manufactured speakers in the same cab.
Although Marshall sold Eden to Gear4Music, Marshall still does all the manufacturing of the Eden amps and cabs. As long as Marshall is still producing the D-series cabs, the only place to get those speakers is through Eminence. They are the only ones who actually know how to make them. It's not rocket science of course, but it is sonic science with a dose of art, I believe. And, if you screw it up everybody will notice. Meanwhile, "if it's not broken, don't fix it" applies. So I would expect them to continue being manufactured by Eminence.
It was the beginning of 2009 that the woofers were made by Eminence.
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Thannnkk you!
And when I say "Old DXLT cabs" I dont mean the original model of that cab. I say that Beacuse now that Eden is almost discontinued and the XLT cabs have been gone for awhile. Sorry for any confusion.
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Actually they still do make a few XLT's though during the "Marshall period" they purged most of them. They still have listed on their website the D210XLT and the D115XLT. Surprisingly they don't show the D210XST although they have it for sale on their site with none in stock but available for order with October delivery. I wonder it they are hiding items on the web site that are out of stock. There's an algorithm that will do that - won't display the item if there are none in stock and a new delivery is not imminent.
Reason I think that one in particular is unusual is that folks with a nXLT would often add the D210XST to it for the extended bottom end. The combination of one XLT and one XST just gives great sound because you still get that mid-hump that makes the XLT sound so good with the much lower and tighter bottom end that the XST's have. In fact, so many folks combined a D410XLT with a D410XST that their D810XLT sales dropped. So then they put 4XLT speakers in their 810 cab along with 4 of the XST speakers and sales went back up with their new D810XT. That combination of sounds is really nice. Hard to say what's happening with them though. It took them forever to put up their website although they had a Facebook presence fairly quickly after they bought Eden from Marshall. But they are still making and selling the Eden amps and cabs.
My fear with Eden now is, "who's going to be designing anything new?" Marshall's designers came out with the WTP amps with added features the WT series didn't have but they are class A/B amps and demand for those has tanked. Eden's Terra Nova class D amps are actually excellent amps with just great sound and features but the highest powered one they have now is 500-watts rms whereas virtually all the major players have some sweet 800-watt, class D amps out. Gear4Music doesn't design gear so, who knows for sure how it will all shake. Regardless where they are headed, for the time being, the gear is every bit as good as it was and since Marshall is still doing the manufacturing of it, quality is top notch.
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The thing that surprised me was that they didn't list the D210XST on their web site, which has been a go-to cab for them since they first came out. They do list both the D210XLT and the D1150XLT.
